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John McGlynn - Stay or Go? (Take 2)
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Should JMcG Stay, Go or get more time?
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inside the city wulls



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grant Murray? Would he have the quals?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

inside the city wulls wrote:
Grant Murray? Would he have the quals?


Only if he agrees to give up playing.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apathy, thats what i feel now in regards to the management situation. I had had enough of McGlynn after we were dumped out of the Scottish Cup by Morton but i feel he might as well see out the season. Our fate at the end of the season has already been decided, i don't know if thats relegation or not but a change of manager isn't going to make any difference at this stage. Even if we do stay up we'll just be in the exact same position next season and the next and the next. The club at a board level is a rudderless ship but worse than that as a club it appears we are holed below the waterline.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The next 4 games may well decide our fate. McGlynn MUST turn it around and he has 2 days to do it.

Lets hope the masterplan he's been working on for the last 14 months is just about to pay off.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy Lister wrote:
John would have to quit as we can't afford compensation and the new manager would have to be unemployed as we can't afford compensation.

Genuine question here (as I can't think of any at the moment) but who is currently unemployed that we would take to replace McGlynn? Suppose we also have to factor in that the new manager would want to come to a team that he cannot improve (personnel-wise) and knowing that even if he keeps us up, the chances of him having a budget to improve on that next season would be non-existant at best?

I've been a staunch supporter of McGlynn and to a certain extent I suppose I still am but if he were to walk away who could come in and keep us as a Division 1 side?


The best success we've had with managers in the last 20 years has been when we've given an untried contended a chance - Jimmy Nichol, Antonio Calderon, John McGlynn. So really it's just getting lucky with an untried manager of which there are loads of candidates.

I know we lost 4-0 yesterday - thankfully I wasn't there - but for those like me that weren't there, I don't see where the doom and gloom is coming from. It's not like we're marooned at the bottom of the league. In terms of points won, there is nothing between us, QoS and Ayr. In recent weeks we've been picking up points, so one heavy defeat isn't the end of the world.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JMcG and the BoD are oblivious to what the fans are seeing and saying. Clearly, they don't give a toss. I would suggest staying away on Saturdays until JMcG has resigned and the following home game, put the backdated entry fees into the big blue bin. However, that would threaten Rovers' existence, so any better ideas out there?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would sacking Mcglynn right now do anything? I dont know. We cant afford it though. Mcglynn would be daft to quit, and we cant afford the compo to sack him and then bring someone else in.

Things are very poor right now. Very poor. Now Mcglynn has never been a master tactician. Substitutions etc have long been a point of discussion on here. However, we have seen teams with a fantastic work ethic and good organisation. For me, that has made up for the lack of "footballing" talent. We had a great cup run, a league title and got within 3 games of the SPL on the back of it.

Now, of course, this season was always going to be difficult. I didnt expect to reach the heights of last season, not at all. However, from about September onwards this team has looked defeated. In previous seasons, if we went behind I would be adamant we would get back into the game. This season, I've been tempted to head straight home after conceding. We dont have the extra dig, that extra fight and that extra 10% Without that, quite frankly, we are rank rotten and awful.

Mcglynn tried to play a different style of football this season, and it lasted all of 3 games. Now we are left with a team that cant pass, cant play attractive attacking football, and now cant battle and scrap. We are doomed unless we have a significant upturn in results. Alas, that does not look in any way likely.

Should Mcglynn go at the end of the season if we go down? I dont know. For the first time, Im leaning slightly towards yes. For all he has done for the club, there wont have been any long term progress. When John Mcglynn took over, we were a struggling part time Second Division side. If we get relegated, we will be a struggling part time Second Division side - probably in a worse position to be honest.

Here's a sobering thought. The Heatherston/Scott season ten years ago is widely regarded as one of the poorest seasons in living memory for the Rovers.

Here is the league table as of 23rd February 2002.


[url] http://www.statto.com/football/stats/scotland/division-one/2001-2002/table/2002-02-23 [/url]
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the Board need to ask a couple of questions.
1) Do they really think McGlynn will keep us up?

3) If not can we afford to get relegated and still have a club?

Personally I have very little faith that we can turn this season round.
Overall his record has been quite poor.
In the league: 3 Seasons to get out of the 2nd division and even then we only just stumbled over the line.
7th and 2nd in the first division. Now looking grim for this season.
In Cups: Out in the early rounds of every cup with the exception of our run to the semi final.
We have a dreadful record when the pressure is on. We have a terrible play off record. A poor record during the run in even when we won the 2nd division.
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ll in all the football has been very poor for 5 season. Occassionally succesful but not good to watch.
The Board have backed the youth set up. It has produced 1 first teamer in 5 seasons.
The Board have backed his signings, some of these have been simply awful.

The Board take a lot of stick on here but they have backed the manager. I don't think they are getting aq good return for that faith and backing.

I think most of the supporters will admit that he is a nice guy and works hard but is he really good enough to keep us up? Will the football improve and attract crowds back? I don't think so sadly.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Graeme_P wrote:

Personally I have very little faith that we can turn this season round.
Overall his record has been quite poor.
In the league: 3 Seasons to get out of the 2nd division and even then we only just stumbled over the line.


Stumbled over the line? Rolling Eyes We won 8 league games on the trot to overtake Ayr and win the league.

http://www.raithroversfc.com/cgi-bin/fixtures.cgi?season=2008

In the other two seasons we made the play-offs, which seemed okay at the time, given the state the club was in.

Graeme_P wrote:

7th and 2nd in the first division. Now looking grim for this season.


7th in our first season, with a Scottish Cup semi-final thrown in. How many Scottish Cup semi-finals have you seen the Rovers play in? When was the last time you saw Rovers win at Pittodrie? 7th was job done.

2nd when we were totally unexpectedly challenging for the title.

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In Cups: Out in the early rounds of every cup with the exception of our run to the semi final.


Our Cup performances have been woeful, Scottish Cup run excepted. That is a legitimate criticism and it has cost the club a small fortune. The number of teams from lower leagues that have dumped us out of cups in recent years is unacceptable.

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A poor record during the run in even when we won the 2nd division.


As discussed this is not fair comment. We lost against Ayr, but then went on an 8 game winning streak and won the league.


Graeme_P wrote:

All in all the football has been very poor for 5 season. Occassionally succesful but not good to watch.


I agree. The football has been generally poor to watch throughout McGlynn's reign. Good games to watch are the exception.

Graeme_P wrote:

The Board have backed the youth set up. It has produced 1 first teamer in 5 seasons.


Fair comment. McGlynn needs to get his finger out here.

Graeme_P wrote:

The Board have backed his signings, some of these have been simply awful.


Yes, but some of the signings have been Tade, Baird, Murray, Walker and McGurn, who have been key players for us. He also got Goodwillie, Kev Smith and Russell in on loan who did a job for us.

Graeme_P wrote:

The Board take a lot of stick on here but they have backed the manager. I don't think they are getting aq good return for that faith and backing.

I think most of the supporters will admit that he is a nice guy and works hard but is he really good enough to keep us up? Will the football improve and attract crowds back? I don't think so sadly.


Who knows? Probably not.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am a diehard and have met the players and john mcglynn on a few occasions at functions aswell as hospital visits.You will never meet a better bunch of lads than them which makes having a go at them difficult to do.I dont know why they arent performing as they have done on occasion but they better start.They are playing for their jobs because if we go down there will be a clear out and we will be part time.In fact part time football is the way forward am afraid as full time is doing nothing for us.In fact even if we stay up there will be a clear out and there has to be changes throughout the club because we are stuck in a rut and going nowhere fast.
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