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Should JMcG Stay, Go or get more time? |
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Cuparman
Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 1876 Location: Irvine
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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I. Latto wrote: | Carry on shooting down your own club. I'll carry on supporting. |
Blind loyalty...................same as JM . Even you must see that it is him who is failing.
Blind loyalty is NOT a good attribute as it sways too many decisions that should be viewed objectively.
Loyalty and blind loyalty are not the same thing. 1 is a good thing....the other is'nt. _________________ Born a Rover Live a Rover Die a Rover |
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Tam Moderator
Joined: 06 Jul 2008 Posts: 6454 Location: Kettlebridge
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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Someone mentioned there won't be an abundance of opeople wanting the RRFC job?
You betcha, ex-players, players, coaches, managers would love this job, I would bet there would be over 40 applicants and some more who might not actually apply but would like the post and hope the board approach them. |
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chopper
Joined: 14 Jul 2008 Posts: 1194 Location: Location unknown
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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We need a CB with pace, no disrespect to Murray and Ellis but we need someone with a bit more energy
As this sacking of McG goes im not getting involved too much i think the BoD will make the right decision ? _________________
We might be the WEE TEAM but you canny beat us .........
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rovers4ever
Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 5314 Location: Burntisland
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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JMcG gets credit for his attacking intentions, but he clearly told the team to retreat once Casa went off. If a plan is working, STICK with it. |
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StarksBarmy
Joined: 03 Apr 2010 Posts: 4029
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:28 am Post subject: |
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I feel McGlynn has taken us as far as he can (of which I am very grateful) Ideally I would like him to stay til the summer, keep us up and then move on with everyone happy giving who ever was to replace him a whole pre season to work/tinker with the squad
We DO need a change, I just hope we are a 1st Div team next season regardless of who picks the team |
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rw89
Joined: 11 Jul 2008 Posts: 2148
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:11 am Post subject: |
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Having 40 applicants doesn't necessarily mean that we have 40 people who would be good for Raith Rovers. For what its worth, this week we had a big change in the first half that only stopped as a result Casa coming off. I honestly do believe, that when he a few games under his belt, then we'll kick on from there.
We had more clear cut chances in the first half than we did than the last four games. It is pretty clear that is was working. If we work with this fresh approach then teams will find it difficult to handle three hard working forwards. Throw in the fact that we know he can be difficult at set pieces and it might be a success.
The board and McGlynn are trying to make things change. Lets try to do the same. I know it is difficult to spend £17 when we resort to days like the 2nd half today, but then we are all in it together. If we can play like the first half regularly, then I think we will be alright. Lets try to get some confidence into the team! |
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renton
Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 1279
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:19 am Post subject: |
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This is the Scottish Football League, we have a manager of limited abilities, some talent and some blindspots in his tactical view. Were we to employ any of the 29 other bosses in the SFL we would get the same: A man of some talent, some liabilities and some luck - this is the coin of all SFL managers, they have all these ingredients to a greater or lesser degree. In the end, whoever we brought in might change things for a while, make some things different but we would be back here soon enough, calling for his head.
McGlynn has always seemed to me, to be a supreme motivator of players, a fantastic coach of individuals (look at guys like Silvestro and Tade- both in their own ways came on leaps and bounds under McG) but who has always taken a simplistic view to tactics, which could be summed up as play the best 11 guys I've got, rather than the best team of 11 I have. He is above all a believer, I think, in the ability of individuals to win games.
He is as well, and this is his best trait as far as I'm concerned, a realist. If his style of football is at best tolerable, it's based on the limited nature of the Scottish game. Given his record (despite the last 9 months, is still very good) the fact that McG's, almost obsession with discipline above flair, strength over guile and pace over skill - his long game and his percentages game, work as well as they do - says far more about Scottish football than it ever will about John McGlynn.
there isn't a manager in SFL1 that would do a better job with what he has than McGlynn, as infuriating as he sometimes is -they all have their tactical foibles and limitations that would have Tam up in arms as much as 'tinkerman'. There are problems at Starks park just now, players ar ehuman beings, not robots and obviously something has caused upset for guys like Alan Walker - one of our better McG era players to be so badly off the boil as he is. Whatever unrest there is at the club, I doubt McG is the main focus of that, changing horses midstream is not the answer and McGlynn has proven before that he can pull us out of bad situations.
The team, now that we have Clarke and Casa is more offensively strong than at any point in the last year and a half, form can return and players Like Walker will not be this bad always. We are not a bad team and I think McG and his playing staff will show that. |
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bigeein
Joined: 09 May 2009 Posts: 1894 Location: windygates
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:57 am Post subject: |
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Good post renton ,,
If everyone who is calling for his head would be man enough to come on the forum and suggest a replacment for mcglyn would amase me , because no on has had the balls to do that .
On anuther thread i did that and everyone was quick to slag my suggestions off. However thay were not man enough to put forward there own suggestions .
You also have to take into concideration what kind of financil package rrfc can offer . Which i have reservation as to how attractive that would be to a good quality of manager/coach .
So if you are gona have him out who do you think would be a good replacment . This also has to be within realistic budget that raith can affort. |
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Keith S Moderator
Joined: 05 Jul 2008 Posts: 1169
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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bigeein wrote: | Good post renton ,,
If everyone who is calling for his head would be man enough to come on the forum and suggest a replacment for mcglyn would amase me , because no on has had the balls to do that .
On anuther thread i did that and everyone was quick to slag my suggestions off. However thay were not man enough to put forward there own suggestions .
You also have to take into concideration what kind of financil package rrfc can offer . Which i have reservation as to how attractive that would be to a good quality of manager/coach .
So if you are gona have him out who do you think would be a good replacment . This also has to be within realistic budget that raith can affort. |
Thats the last thing we need. Those sort of conversations aren't appropriate unitl John decides to move on or the board decide to make that decision for him. At the moment theres no vacancy to fill. |
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bigeein
Joined: 09 May 2009 Posts: 1894 Location: windygates
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with that . the point i am making is there isn't anyone else who is good enough and able to work within the restrictions mcglyn has .
Just bear in mind that the club was on its knees when he arrived . Yes you are right there is no vacancy at the moment , wheather it is appropriate to dissguss this is a matter of opinion . If you dissagree with the thread then maybe you should take it off the site . I am mearly challenging the people who want him out to come forward with a suggestion as to what is the better option, is there a better option . You can change the manager but you canot change the team .
Keith S wrote: | bigeein wrote: | Good post renton ,,
If everyone who is calling for his head would be man enough to come on the forum and suggest a replacment for mcglyn would amase me , because no on has had the balls to do that .
On anuther thread i did that and everyone was quick to slag my suggestions off. However thay were not man enough to put forward there own suggestions .
You also have to take into concideration what kind of financil package rrfc can offer . Which i have reservation as to how attractive that would be to a good quality of manager/coach .
So if you are gona have him out who do you think would be a good replacment . This also has to be within realistic budget that raith can affort. |
Thats the last thing we need. Those sort of conversations aren't appropriate unitl John decides to move on or the board decide to make that decision for him. At the moment theres no vacancy to fill. |
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Cuparman
Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 1876 Location: Irvine
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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bigeein wrote: | Good post renton ,,
If everyone who is calling for his head would be man enough to come on the forum and suggest a replacment for mcglyn would amase me , because no on has had the balls to do that .
On anuther thread i did that and everyone was quick to slag my suggestions off. However thay were not man enough to put forward there own suggestions .
You also have to take into concideration what kind of financil package rrfc can offer . Which i have reservation as to how attractive that would be to a good quality of manager/coach .
So if you are gona have him out who do you think would be a good replacment . This also has to be within realistic budget that raith can affort. | .
Dont quite follow your logic...............posters whom are unhappy with JM cannot say so unless they have a list of un-employed coaches available to them or indeed any others that maybe interested . And what the heck has that to do with being a "man".............. Your idea of what makes a man a man is certainly not mine............or many others I would think .
Regards the budget................how can anyone claim that JM is the only person on the planet that could "achieve"what he has with the budget restraints..............thats simply unbelievable to think/say that.
Whenever jobs are available there are always plenty of takers......whether they areany better has to be seen at a later date..............if this was NOT the case......then no club would ever change manager.
What about Micky cameron at the dung beef.......topof the league playing good footy.....................but I suppose the cowden can afford him and we could'nt........and he ofcourse would not lower himself to come here where he would be under financial constraints.............thats not a problem at cowdenbeath. ..
I have absolutely no idea whether there is someone out there and therefore I cannot ask for JM to go........................and I am not a man _________________ Born a Rover Live a Rover Die a Rover |
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Vinnie
Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 8234 Location: None Of Your Business
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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I. Latto wrote: | I suppose I could leave it to intellectual anoraks like yourself. |
Of course P&B where your happy to attempt to rip the P out of fantalk and its posters is rife with intellectuals _________________ THERES FIVE OF ME |
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I. Latto
Joined: 14 Mar 2009 Posts: 2524 Location: Dalry, Edinburgh
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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FanTalk does all it's own ripping I'm afraid. I merely point it out. |
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Armagh Rover
Joined: 25 Jul 2008 Posts: 5745 Location: Nottinghamshire
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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No matter what happens, if John should stay or go .............. the dross has to be got rid off at the end of the season, as well as players who are no longer the players they once were... |
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renton
Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 1279
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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What about Micky cameron at the dung beef.......topof the league playing good footy.....................but I suppose the cowden can afford him and we could'nt........and he ofcourse would not lower himself to come here where he would be under financial constraints.............thats not a problem at cowdenbeath. ..
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To take the specific example of Cameron, he's only about 6 months into his first maangement job, managing a squad that he already knows extremely well having played with them all for a full season. As for 'good footy' - well I don't watch Cowden on a regular basis (I assume you don't either) so couldn't comment except to say that good footy in the second is probably a fairly relative term and while they may have a few 'tidy' players I bet you it still involves longish balls into Stewart to exploit his pace.
The point I'm trying to make is that in the specific case, it's hard to know what type of manager Cameron is, at Cowden he's in his comfort zone, he'd be a massive risk to take on (in the theoretical case that we had a vacancy and he was interested), especially in a squad not firing on all cylinders - not something he has experience of.
In the more general case you can see that every potential replacement comes with some sort of baggage, there are no obvious replacements, Cameron get's a mention becuase of his legendary status at Rovers. |
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