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Jim Foy
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| TxRover wrote: | | Northern_Rover wrote: | | Ok thanks for that. I was thinking a few tins of Dulux and a step ladder would do the job. |
Did a quick search, and found a 2019 bid to paint the exterior surfaces only of an American football stand about the size of the north or south stand. It wasn’t comparable because of greater smooth surface area, being overall less than 1/2 the total area of one of our stands (lacked the roof to paint) and the greater amount of finicky pillars/beams. It included surface prep and cleanup, no rust repair (just wire brushing), and was $100,000 for just that.
If you figure triple the amount to paint in each stand due to height and additional work, that’s $600,000, or about £460,000 in 2019 pounds, under U.S. regulations. Now writing that out made it clearer to me what a huge undertaking it is, and I’m sure the paint itself is pretty costly to make the bid that high. |
Painting the stands at Stark's Park is not only down to the amount of paint required but the type of paint. It's not a simple case of Undecoat and Gloss like you would use in the house, the job would have to be done with specialist paints designed to withstand the conditions and the location. I, (the company I worked for) supplied the paint for painting the steelwork on the underside of the main stand a couple of years ago and that was done with specialist marine anti corrosion paint which isn't cheap and as well as the top coat you also need the correct anti corrosion primers. It's also not a case of comparing Stark's Park with just any other stadium either because each location is different ie: the air in Kirkcaldy is a lot more corrosive than a lot of more inland places simply because of the salt from the sea. Add to that the need for scaffolding, labour etc, what John Sim said he was quoted doesn't surprise me. The price of some of these specialist paints and primers would make your eyes water. |
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Cuparman
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:18 am Post subject: |
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| Jim Foy wrote: | | TxRover wrote: | | Northern_Rover wrote: | | Ok thanks for that. I was thinking a few tins of Dulux and a step ladder would do the job. |
Did a quick search, and found a 2019 bid to paint the exterior surfaces only of an American football stand about the size of the north or south stand. It wasn’t comparable because of greater smooth surface area, being overall less than 1/2 the total area of one of our stands (lacked the roof to paint) and the greater amount of finicky pillars/beams. It included surface prep and cleanup, no rust repair (just wire brushing), and was $100,000 for just that.
If you figure triple the amount to paint in each stand due to height and additional work, that’s $600,000, or about £460,000 in 2019 pounds, under U.S. regulations. Now writing that out made it clearer to me what a huge undertaking it is, and I’m sure the paint itself is pretty costly to make the bid that high. |
Painting the stands at Stark's Park is not only down to the amount of paint required but the type of paint. It's not a simple case of Undecoat and Gloss like you would use in the house, the job would have to be done with specialist paints designed to withstand the conditions and the location. I, (the company I worked for) supplied the paint for painting the steelwork on the underside of the main stand a couple of years ago and that was done with specialist marine anti corrosion paint which isn't cheap and as well as the top coat you also need the correct anti corrosion primers. It's also not a case of comparing Stark's Park with just any other stadium either because each location is different ie: the air in Kirkcaldy is a lot more corrosive than a lot of more inland places simply because of the salt from the sea. Add to that the need for scaffolding, labour etc, what John Sim said he was quoted doesn't surprise me. The price of some of these specialist paints and primers would make your eyes water. |
Good informative post.
Most things are never as straight forward as one would think.
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Specky Ginger
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I nearly choked on my Ricicles yesterday morning.
I'm not sure whether it was Dellios' comment about the restaurant in Glasgow or the fact that a shyster like Gordon Smith is in the SFA Hall of Fame.
I'm sure I'll choke properly when Dellios' boy scores a hat-trick against us next season.
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THE RED
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Jim Foy wrote: | | TxRover wrote: | | Northern_Rover wrote: | | Ok thanks for that. I was thinking a few tins of Dulux and a step ladder would do the job. |
Did a quick search, and found a 2019 bid to paint the exterior surfaces only of an American football stand about the size of the north or south stand. It wasn’t comparable because of greater smooth surface area, being overall less than 1/2 the total area of one of our stands (lacked the roof to paint) and the greater amount of finicky pillars/beams. It included surface prep and cleanup, no rust repair (just wire brushing), and was $100,000 for just that.
If you figure triple the amount to paint in each stand due to height and additional work, that’s $600,000, or about £460,000 in 2019 pounds, under U.S. regulations. Now writing that out made it clearer to me what a huge undertaking it is, and I’m sure the paint itself is pretty costly to make the bid that high. |
Painting the stands at Stark's Park is not only down to the amount of paint required but the type of paint. It's not a simple case of Undecoat and Gloss like you would use in the house, the job would have to be done with specialist paints designed to withstand the conditions and the location. I, (the company I worked for) supplied the paint for painting the steelwork on the underside of the main stand a couple of years ago and that was done with specialist marine anti corrosion paint which isn't cheap and as well as the top coat you also need the correct anti corrosion primers. It's also not a case of comparing Stark's Park with just any other stadium either because each location is different ie: the air in Kirkcaldy is a lot more corrosive than a lot of more inland places simply because of the salt from the sea. Add to that the need for scaffolding, labour etc, what John Sim said he was quoted doesn't surprise me. The price of some of these specialist paints and primers would make your eyes water. |
Not just the cost but also the VOCs 
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Strathallan Rover
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Apparently, it's the people involved in Kelty. |
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Specky Ginger
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Apparently, it's the people involved in Kelty. |
We'll be getting Barry Ferguson as our manager.
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Didn't think that would be allowed for someone to own an interest in two clubs?
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TxRover
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:24 am Post subject: |
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| Castle wrote: | | Didn't think that would be allowed for someone to own an interest in two clubs? |
More than 3% or influence. See SFA Article 13 |
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Franco
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Takeover talks collapse according to the other channel. |
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Armagh Rover
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| Looks awfy like John Sim is stuck with it, more likely to the detriment of the football club, unless the likes of Smart, Penman, and whoever else that has an affinity to the club has the wherewithal and desire to put a deal together |
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TxRover
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| Armagh Rover wrote: | | Looks awfy like John Sim is stuck with it, more likely to the detriment of the football club, unless the likes of Smart, Penman, and whoever else that has an affinity to the club has the wherewithal and desire to put a deal together |
I suspect this was the last hurrah for local ownership…and next season will be a holding pattern with minimal investment…hope I’m wrong. |
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Armagh Rover
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2023 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| TxRover wrote: | | Armagh Rover wrote: | | Looks awfy like John Sim is stuck with it, more likely to the detriment of the football club, unless the likes of Smart, Penman, and whoever else that has an affinity to the club has the wherewithal and desire to put a deal together |
I suspect this was the last hurrah for local ownership…and next season will be a holding pattern with minimal investment…hope I’m wrong. |
Unless there's a rich Sheik wanting to make us the 3rd force in Scottish football Tx, then we're sailing by the seat of our pants hoping that John Sim doesn't pull the plug |
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TxRover
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| Armagh Rover wrote: | | TxRover wrote: | | Armagh Rover wrote: | | Looks awfy like John Sim is stuck with it, more likely to the detriment of the football club, unless the likes of Smart, Penman, and whoever else that has an affinity to the club has the wherewithal and desire to put a deal together |
I suspect this was the last hurrah for local ownership…and next season will be a holding pattern with minimal investment…hope I’m wrong. |
Unless there's a rich Sheik wanting to make us the 3rd force in Scottish football Tx, then we're sailing by the seat of our pants hoping that John Sim doesn't pull the plug |
I’m more worried that Sim might give another look to some chancers with images of building a multi-country development scheme. |
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Franco
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Half expecting some response from John Sim to the Courier story that these latest negotiations had stalled.
On the other hand, if there remains the possibility that matters could reactivate , he may be thinking it wiser to make no comment at this time.
There are those posters on the other channel who appear to think that " anyone but Sim" would be an improvement. To me, they have fairly short memories! |
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