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Castle
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How many of the board signed off on that portacabin?
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Vinnie
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[quote="scotty"] | Gary Parker wrote: | | Strathallan Rover wrote: | | Long time fan wrote: | | Perhaps this whole investment required situation ........ |
Disagree with this last part, break even or profit in the championship is not unattainable if clubs live within their means, the whole speculate to accumulate nonsense is what gets them to this position in the first place.
Every few years we hear "a good cup run will make all the difference" or "if we can sell a player, we'll be ok" its just poor financial planning. We're a small club with a pretty weak (poor) average home attendance, even trying to be full time and competing with larger budgets is always going to put us in a defecit, it has to change.
The amount of money squandered last season is almost criminal, an absolute shocking return on investment from all of those in charge. Financial regulation is needed in football and strict salary caps, with massive penalties against those in charge for breaching them. This whole living on speculation and hope has to stop. |
Not (as you intimated above) if you go out and spend a kings ransom on a player like DG.
McGlynn gets flack for selecting the worst possible signing target in my supporting life and rightly so, but its was the 3/5 of the board who green-lighted the signing and agreed a £50,000 fee and a 2.5 year contract on over £1k a week for a 33 year old player who was untested (recently) at the level we were . |
Was this common knoweledge or were you in on the deal?
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scotty
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[quote="Vinnie"] | scotty wrote: | | Gary Parker wrote: | | Strathallan Rover wrote: | | Long time fan wrote: | | Perhaps this whole investment required situation ........ |
Disagree with this last part, break even or profit in the championship is not unattainable if clubs live within their means, the whole speculate to accumulate nonsense is what gets them to this position in the first place.
Every few years we hear "a good cup run will make all the difference" or "if we can sell a player, we'll be ok" its just poor financial planning. We're a small club with a pretty weak (poor) average home attendance, even trying to be full time and competing with larger budgets is always going to put us in a defecit, it has to change.
The amount of money squandered last season is almost criminal, an absolute shocking return on investment from all of those in charge. Financial regulation is needed in football and strict salary caps, with massive penalties against those in charge for breaching them. This whole living on speculation and hope has to stop. |
Not (as you intimated above) if you go out and spend a kings ransom on a player like DG.
McGlynn gets flack for selecting the worst possible signing target in my supporting life and rightly so, but its was the 3/5 of the board who green-lighted the signing and agreed a £50,000 fee and a 2.5 year contract on over £1k a week for a 33 year old player who was untested (recently) at the level we were . |
Was this common knoweledge or were you in on the deal? |
The simple answer to that is no.
But.
Not quite sure what your angle is Vinny but IMO either they (the BoD) are clueless for blindly going along with;
A. what to the vast majority was A VERY BAD IDEA and yet they thought it was still a good plan
B. They were lead like puppets by someone with more clout.
From my point of view, one way or another they F'd up, big style, and we have been going backwards ever since.
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Vinnie
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Just that I,ve no recollection of the press publishing the terms of DG contract if indeed what you posted is correct or if its speculation
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scotty
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I've talked to Board members past and present in the last 10 months and I was told that the figure quoted was a rclose approximation of the fee paid, as for the salary that (like every player's) remains a closed secret but I do know that when we looked to sign him the 1st time (Jan 2018?) he was available to any club that would meet his wage demand of £1k a week on a 3 year deal, we balked at that figure then, as did Falkirk who I recall were the other interested party. I was lead to believe the agreed salary was an improved offer on his previous contract with Clyde.
It boggles the mind that Clyde could afford him on that salary but a Clyde supporter I know reckoned his wages were funded or at least part-funded by a wealthy supporter.
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Strathallan Rover
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Why do we keep having to drag up the signing of David Goodwillie ? The wheels were already coming off the wagon before he signed. Where the directors went wrong was letting that imposter of a manager go on a wreckless spending spree. He did sign Stanton and Connolly, but to sign Ross, Gullan, Keatings,Vaughan,Matthews and probably a few others on contracts ranging from 2-3 years have been a waste of money. Throw in 4 months out of a two year deal for Zanatta,we were very lucky to get rid of him plus a fee and just squeezing a year out of Berra and no wonder we are skint. We won THREE league matches during the second half of last season, two were after it was too late, mainly down to our lack of goals which was caused by JMcG failing to notice that Poplatnik was our best striker rather than the utterly useless Varian.
Also, after finishing third at the end of the covid season JMcG advised Sim that " it's impossible to be promoted with a hybrid playing staff" So, we went completely full time last season and finished fifth which ,for me, it was correct to show JMcG the door.
Yes, the board failed to "read the room" regarding the DG signing and underestimating what a nasty piece of work Val McD was and the damage she would do, but they were only trying to back their manager. No wonder JS is trying to find a buyer and having to put up with the over reaction by some of our fans ,who love an excuse to stick the boot into the BoD at every opportunity, i don't blame him. If he does leave at least he tried to do something with the club and opened Stark's Park up to the local community with the RRFC Community Club and various other groups. |
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TxRover
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| Strathallan Rover wrote: | Why do we keep having to drag up the signing of David Goodwillie ? The wheels were already coming off the wagon before he signed. Where the directors went wrong was letting that imposter of a manager go on a wreckless spending spree. He did sign Stanton and Connolly, but to sign Ross, Gullan, Keatings,Vaughan,Matthews and probably a few others on contracts ranging from 2-3 years have been a waste of money. Throw in 4 months out of a two year deal for Zanatta,we were very lucky to get rid of him plus a fee and just squeezing a year out of Berra and no wonder we are skint. We won THREE league matches during the second half of last season, two were after it was too late, mainly down to our lack of goals which was caused by JMcG failing to notice that Poplatnik was our best striker rather than the utterly useless Varian.
Also, after finishing third at the end of the covid season JMcG advised Sim that " it's impossible to be promoted with a hybrid playing staff" So, we went completely full time last season and finished fifth which ,for me, it was correct to show JMcG the door.
Yes, the board failed to "read the room" regarding the DG signing and underestimating what a nasty piece of work Val McD was and the damage she would do, but they were only trying to back their manager. No wonder JS is trying to find a buyer and having to put up with the over reaction by some of our fans ,who love an excuse to stick the boot into the BoD at every opportunity, i don't blame him. If he does leave at least he tried to do something with the club and opened Stark's Park up to the local community with the RRFC Community Club and various other groups. |
I suspect you have more than a few axes to grind here. Your comments, until the last paragraph were reasonable, if a bit belligerent, however you came off the rails at the end. |
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Cuparman
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| Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2022 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Strathallan Rover wrote: | Why do we keep having to drag up the signing of David Goodwillie ? The wheels were already coming off the wagon before he signed. Where the directors went wrong was letting that imposter of a manager go on a wreckless spending spree. He did sign Stanton and Connolly, but to sign Ross, Gullan, Keatings,Vaughan,Matthews and probably a few others on contracts ranging from 2-3 years have been a waste of money. Throw in 4 months out of a two year deal for Zanatta,we were very lucky to get rid of him plus a fee and just squeezing a year out of Berra and no wonder we are skint. We won THREE league matches during the second half of last season, two were after it was too late, mainly down to our lack of goals which was caused by JMcG failing to notice that Poplatnik was our best striker rather than the utterly useless Varian.
Also, after finishing third at the end of the covid season JMcG advised Sim that " it's impossible to be promoted with a hybrid playing staff" So, we went completely full time last season and finished fifth which ,for me, it was correct to show JMcG the door.
Yes, the board failed to "read the room" regarding the DG signing and underestimating what a nasty piece of work Val McD was and the damage she would do, but they were only trying to back their manager. No wonder JS is trying to find a buyer and having to put up with the over reaction by some of our fans ,who love an excuse to stick the boot into the BoD at every opportunity, i don't blame him. If he does leave at least he tried to do something with the club and opened Stark's Park up to the local community with the RRFC Community Club and various other groups. |
Pretty much agree with this post.
There were some poor choices made by a few people from both inside and outside the boardroom.
The best that we can do is hope that lessons are learnt.
Making mistakes is 1thing, everybody makes them,but ensuring that they are not repeated should be the priority.
Merry Christmas and a happy new year..
PS.
Could the club invest a small amount on a Euro lottery ticket. 1 ticket per week........you never know.....huge reward for a minimal amount of money🤞😄
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StarksBarmy
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Tx, Isn’t he allowed an opinion without being belittled in the process? Oh forgot, one rule for you, other for everyone else...
McGlynn clearly went to town with the cash and contracts. I don’t know the ins and outs financially are but one of the reasons I’m yet to get on Murray’s back is that he is probably suffering due to this.
I’ve never really had a problem with Sim, quite the opposite, however he did an interview basically laughing off that the Goodwillie signing was an issue financially and it wouldn’t effect the budget going forward...I’m not sure that was/is the case?.. |
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Strathallan Rover
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| TxRover wrote: | | Strathallan Rover wrote: | Why do we keep having to drag up the signing of David Goodwillie ? The wheels were already coming off the wagon before he signed. Where the directors went wrong was letting that imposter of a manager go on a wreckless spending spree. He did sign Stanton and Connolly, but to sign Ross, Gullan, Keatings,Vaughan,Matthews and probably a few others on contracts ranging from 2-3 years have been a waste of money. Throw in 4 months out of a two year deal for Zanatta,we were very lucky to get rid of him plus a fee and just squeezing a year out of Berra and no wonder we are skint. We won THREE league matches during the second half of last season, two were after it was too late, mainly down to our lack of goals which was caused by JMcG failing to notice that Poplatnik was our best striker rather than the utterly useless Varian.
Also, after finishing third at the end of the covid season JMcG advised Sim that " it's impossible to be promoted with a hybrid playing staff" So, we went completely full time last season and finished fifth which ,for me, it was correct to show JMcG the door.
Yes, the board failed to "read the room" regarding the DG signing and underestimating what a nasty piece of work Val McD was and the damage she would do, but they were only trying to back their manager. No wonder JS is trying to find a buyer and having to put up with the over reaction by some of our fans ,who love an excuse to stick the boot into the BoD at every opportunity, i don't blame him. If he does leave at least he tried to do something with the club and opened Stark's Park up to the local community with the RRFC Community Club and various other groups. |
I suspect you have more than a few axes to grind here. Your comments, until the last paragraph were reasonable, if a bit belligerent, however you came off the rails at the end. |
It's more to do with frustration that some fans are like a dog with a bone over the DG signing. Always wanting to bring it up,keeping it out there until everyone responsible has left the club, even though there is no queue waiting to take their place. |
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TxRover
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| StarksBarmy wrote: | Tx, Isn’t he allowed an opinion without being belittled in the process? Oh forgot, one rule for you, other for everyone else...
McGlynn clearly went to town with the cash and contracts. I don’t know the ins and outs financially are but one of the reasons I’m yet to get on Murray’s back is that he is probably suffering due to this.
I’ve never really had a problem with Sim, quite the opposite, however he did an interview basically laughing off that the Goodwillie signing was an issue financially and it wouldn’t effect the budget going forward...I’m not sure that was/is the case?.. |
I stated his points were reasonable, if a little belligerent, and then that he had gone off the rails at the end. That is commenting on his opinion, and (unlike him) not attacking a person, simply conveying that I agreed mostly with his post until the end. If you cannot see that difference, well…
I’ve never suggested differing rules for anyone, and generally don’t give a toss what people say about me…so, meh. |
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StarksBarmy
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| Generally? So I get special treatment aye? How flattering. |
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TxRover
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| Strathallan Rover wrote: | | It's more to do with frustration that some fans are like a dog with a bone over the DG signing. Always wanting to bring it up,keeping it out there until everyone responsible has left the club, even though there is no queue waiting to take their place. |
That’s a nicely put version of what you said earlier, with the attack on Val, removed and the point sharpened, and I pretty much agree with it. I dislike the way some fans attack Val simply because she proved through the years to be a solid Rovers fan, and suddenly she gets venom and misogyny directed at her because she had an opinion and a platform and used them.
Sorry, but we benefitted for years from Val’s position and support, and I heard no complaints then. She then took very personal umbrage at an event at the club where she says she was lied to and involving a subject that is apparently very dear to her. To attack her for this seems somewhat hypocritical in that the same people were happy to have her support. As a Community Club, we cannot play the my way or the highway card, we need to look at what is said and why and consider what is best for the Club and Community…and the signing in question certainly didn’t meet those standards.
Did Val go to far in her fight, probably…but the Raith fans who mercilessly attacked her and her actions, implying they were for something other than a true belief, certainly didn’t give her any reason to moderate her position. Let’s face it, she was right and the Club was wrong…we could have headed the mess off and prevented tonnes of heartburn, but we didn’t.
Is it tedious and repetitive to hear about “the signing”, oh hell yes…but the team really hasn’t done enough to clear the decks of that screwup and properly correct the course of the Club. Why wasn’t the Club able to bring the Raith Ladies back into the fold? The fact they are still absent makes it look very much like the Club has missed the boat, and I don’t believe for a second that it’s all down to just Val.
I think this is much of why this matter keeps coming back up, it seems that the Club really hasn’t moved on and would probably do a similar stupid thing again if Sims had his way…which is why, despite all he has done for the Club, it may be a blessing if he leaves, even if it results in a minor crisis. |
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Castle
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My way or the highway is certainly the attitude that Val McDermid demonstrated in her criticism. As you yourself concede Tx she went too far and, this is only my opinion, with some of the statements she made that perhaps the situation was also being used to settle some personal scores. Remember she could have requested that her name be removed from the Stand but wanted it to stay up there so it would 'stick in the craw' of those board members involved.
I actually think that the club has moved on and attempted to make amends where it could. If you look at the make up of the board now it's hard to argue against it not being stronger than it was twelve months ago.
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Specky Ginger
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| Castle wrote: | My way or the highway is certainly the attitude that Val McDermid demonstrated in her criticism. As you yourself concede Tx she went too far and, this is only my opinion, with some of the statements she made that perhaps the situation was also being used to settle some personal scores. Remember she could have requested that her name be removed from the Stand but wanted it to stay up there so it would 'stick in the craw' of those board members involved.
I actually think that the club has moved on and attempted to make amends where it could. If you look at the make up of the board now it's hard to argue against it not being stronger than it was twelve months ago. |
Absolutely bang on the money.
McDermid made the claim of being a lifelong Rovers fan, but at a sponsors' event in the fairly recent past, she asked Paul Smith if he had played football and which teams he played for. Smudger himself acknowledged that most of the Rovers teams he played in were pretty poor, but he banged in over 70 goals in three and a bit seasons and she was utterly oblivious to this.
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