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Byrne2711
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Just wondering, where do the people shouting for mcglynns head actually expect us to be? Are we a premier league side, top end first division? I don't believe we are either. In this era we are an average first division side who will tinker with relegation every now and again. Last year was a massive fluke and we shouldn't be be blinkered and expect that every year! IF we get relegates this season then it's time for mcglynn to go possibly, but not before then.
Not enjoying coming on fantalk anymore because of these keyboard warriors. Fans need to get behind the team for the rest of the season and not slate everything mcglynn says or does. And the term mcglynned is quite offensive. What if he reads these boards and wonders why he's given what he has for the club.
We are RAITH ROVERS FC, not *beep* Barcelona, the manc clubs, Real Madrid or even Motherwell!
Let's get behind John and the team instead of making things harder for ourselves!
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KennyA
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Byrne2711 wrote: | Just wondering, where do the people shouting for mcglynns head actually expect us to be? Are we a premier league side, top end first division? I don't believe we are either. In this era we are an average first division side who will tinker with relegation every now and again. Last year was a massive fluke and we shouldn't be be blinkered and expect that every year! IF we get relegates this season then it's time for mcglynn to go possibly, but not before then.
Not enjoying coming on fantalk anymore because of these keyboard warriors. Fans need to get behind the team for the rest of the season and not slate everything mcglynn says or does. And the term mcglynned is quite offensive. What if he reads these boards and wonders why he's given what he has for the club.
We are RAITH ROVERS FC, not *beep* Barcelona, the manc clubs, Real Madrid or even Motherwell!
Let's get behind John and the team instead of making things harder for ourselves!
C'mon the Raith!!!!!! |
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Vinnie
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| I. Latto wrote: | | FanTalk does all it's own ripping I'm afraid. I merely point it out. |
On another forum.
Its laughable the amount that post on here then run over to P&B and criticise the site,the posters,spelling errors and so on.As I said,P&B is a hive of intellectual,articulate posters.Not
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Scary Bear
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Byrne2711 wrote: | Just wondering, where do the people shouting for mcglynns head actually expect us to be? Are we a premier league side, top end first division? I don't believe we are either. In this era we are an average first division side who will tinker with relegation every now and again. Last year was a massive fluke and we shouldn't be be blinkered and expect that every year! IF we get relegates this season then it's time for mcglynn to go possibly, but not before then.
Not enjoying coming on fantalk anymore because of these keyboard warriors. Fans need to get behind the team for the rest of the season and not slate everything mcglynn says or does. And the term mcglynned is quite offensive. What if he reads these boards and wonders why he's given what he has for the club.
We are RAITH ROVERS FC, not *beep* Barcelona, the manc clubs, Real Madrid or even Motherwell!
Let's get behind John and the team instead of making things harder for ourselves!
C'mon the Raith!!!!!! |
I think we're probably a Div1/Div2 yo-yo club now. Ideally we'd be an SPL/Div1 yo-yo club.
Hmmm, i've just answered this and I'm not calling for his head, yet. I don't think the style of football McGlynn plays is particularly entertaining and he seems pretty limited tactically, but he had done well for us. McGlynn's biggest problem is the style of football he has the team playing. The style seems to work better away from home, but unfortunately for him, the majority of fans don't attend away games. Unless McGlynn can get us playing football at home games that makes me want to attend, then I can see me joining the ranks of the disgruntled fans. I voted to give him more time. I think now he has Casa and Clarke up front we'll get enough points to avoid relegation.
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Scary Bear
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| I. Latto wrote: | | FanTalk does all it's own ripping I'm afraid. I merely point it out. |
Pointing and laughing at your fellow Rovers fans is maybe not the best thing to do.
I like the fact we have a dedicated Rovers fans forum. P&B has loads of fans of other clubs for pointing and laughing.
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The point i am making is if you are going to shoot your mouth off at least back it up with some valid suggestions.
negative critasisem is all to esay yet no one is willing to put forward a fresh possitive idea .
Micky is not an experanced manager but would be a popular vote with the fans .
IF YOU ARE NOT A MAN SHOULD YOU NOT CHANGE YOUR NAME .
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Dont quite follow your logic...............posters whom are unhappy with JM cannot say so unless they have a list of un-employed coaches available to them or indeed any others that maybe interested  . And what the heck has that to do with being a "man".............. Your idea of what makes a man a man is certainly not mine............or many others I would think  .
Regards the budget................how can anyone claim that JM is the only person on the planet that could "achieve"what he has with the budget restraints..............thats simply unbelievable to think/say that.
Whenever jobs are available there are always plenty of takers......whether they areany better has to be seen at a later date..............if this was NOT the case......then no club would ever change manager.
What about Micky cameron at the dung beef.......topof the league playing good footy.....................but I suppose the cowden can afford him and we could'nt........and he ofcourse would not lower himself to come here where he would be under financial constraints.............thats not a problem at cowdenbeath. ..
I have absolutely no idea whether there is someone out there and therefore I cannot ask for JM to go........................and I am not a man  |
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Keith S
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Scary Bear wrote: | | McGlynn's biggest problem is the style of football he has the team playing. . |
Thats the problem, and its costing the club a lot of money.
I firmly believe that if we played at home in the same style we played against Hamilton and were getting the same results our home crowds would be considerably higher. People will still pay to watch entertaining football even if we aren't winning games and I'd be happy to be in our current league position if we got that every week.
Our problem is not that fact that we are losing - its th emanner of those loses. |
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AuthorUnknown
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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In a high proportion of our home games this season we've failed to create more than 1 or 2 decent goal scoring opportunities.
When it's at the stage that people are going along to a match without any realistic hope that we'll even create some decent chances never mind score it's no wonder that our crowds are down.
When you're following a struggling side hope is really all you've got as a motivation to go and when that's not there you're in trouble.
Hopefully the new 4-3-3 formation will change this a bit. If it doesn't then McGlynn's jacket is on a very very shoogly peg.
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Cuparman
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| AuthorUnknown wrote: | In a high proportion of our home games this season we've failed to create more than 1 or 2 decent goal scoring opportunities.
When it's at the stage that people are going along to a match without any realistic hope that we'll even create some decent chances never mind score it's no wonder that our crowds are down.
When you're following a struggling side hope is really all you've got as a motivation to go and when that's not there you're in trouble.
Hopefully the new 4-3-3 formation will change this a bit. If it doesn't then McGlynn's jacket is on a very very shoogly peg. |
Good post and very true imo.
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Gary Parker
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Isn't asking whether McGlynn should stay or be given more time the same thing? Thus going by current numbers at time of posting
25 Stay, 21 Go, 6 More time.
J McG has 60% majority in favour of him staying. |
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batross07
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Gary Parker wrote: | Isn't asking whether McGlynn should stay or be given more time the same thing? Thus going by current numbers at time of posting
25 Stay, 21 Go, 6 More time.
J McG has 60% majority in favour of him staying. |
The people who vote go obviously have lost faith. People who vote stay have still got faith in him. And the more time bit was a suggestion by another poster in the last poll, but I think it's for people who are on the fence or are losing patience but would allow more time. |
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scotty
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The man has his failings but he's well suited to the job as it seems when it comes to "failings" so does everything to do with Raith Rovers.
The board fail to plan effectively budgets and to attract investment. (perhaps not entirely their fault in these dark times but...)
The manager fails, as he repeatedly hasn't an effective plan B when things aren't happening or when the opposition make a radical change.
The players fail as some of them simply haven't got it or once had it and are now past it.
The fans fail as being typical dour Fifers they are super quick to moan and if truth be told actually deep down prefer getting beat as moaning about how bad things are is infinitely more pleasurable than celebrating winning.
For anyone who feels like disputing this last bit can you tell me truthfully they didn't hear folks last season saying "it'll never last" and "they'll blow it like they ayewiz do Raith dinnae want to go up" Then there's the current "I'll no be back" brigade who generally are.
We have to get used to the idea we are a wee club from a poor area with finicky fans who have delusions of grandeur.
Last week there was an excellent bit in the FFP where it noted that Dundee had an average gate of 4500 this season and we had a ave'ge of 2000 (if we're lucky) which equates to about £75k a month of a difference. This is reflected in the fact that Dundee have a bigger and better squad and consequently played us off the park.
It all comes down to money and the manager is only allowed a certain amount of money to entice and pay players with. Grant Murray has in the last 2 seasons been a great signing but this year he's struggling. Never the less it's utility players like him that J McG has had the most success with and with so little dosh to play with he has had to go for functionality over style. Never mind the quality... feel the width.
Blame the recession if you will but the fact is it's been roughly the same core of Rovers fans every week no matter what position we hold in the league. The ones who were still there last week will be the ones who are still there all this and next season. The hingers on will come and go with changes in the weather and guess what? the moaners will still find something to moan about to make them happy.
I started watching the Rover in the late 70's and to be honest other than me getting more grey haired it was no different then to what it's like now..... except for all the modern day keyboard warriors! 
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Scary Bear
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| scotty wrote: | The man has his failings but he's well suited to the job as it seems when it comes to "failings" so does everything to do with Raith Rovers.
The board fail to plan effectively budgets and to attract investment. (perhaps not entirely their fault in these dark times but...)
The manager fails, as he repeatedly hasn't an effective plan B when things aren't happening or when the opposition make a radical change.
The players fail as some of them simply haven't got it or once had it and are now past it.
The fans fail as being typical dour Fifers they are super quick to moan and if truth be told actually deep down prefer getting beat as moaning about how bad things are is infinitely more pleasurable than celebrating winning.
For anyone who feels like disputing this last bit can you tell me truthfully they didn't hear folks last season saying "it'll never last" and "they'll blow it like they ayewiz do Raith dinnae want to go up" Then there's the current "I'll no be back" brigade who generally are.
We have to get used to the idea we are a wee club from a poor area with finicky fans who have delusions of grandeur.
Last week there was an excellent bit in the FFP where it noted that Dundee had an average gate of 4500 this season and we had a ave'ge of 2000 (if we're lucky) which equates to about £75k a month of a difference. This is reflected in the fact that Dundee have a bigger and better squad and consequently played us off the park.
It all comes down to money and the manager is only allowed a certain amount of money to entice and pay players with. Grant Murray has in the last 2 seasons been a great signing but this year he's struggling. Never the less it's utility players like him that J McG has had the most success with and with so little dosh to play with he has had to go for functionality over style. Never mind the quality... feel the width.
Blame the recession if you will but the fact is it's been roughly the same core of Rovers fans every week no matter what position we hold in the league. The ones who were still there last week will be the ones who are still there all this and next season. The hingers on will come and go with changes in the weather and guess what? the moaners will still find something to moan about to make them happy.
I started watching the Rover in the late 70's and to be honest other than me getting more grey haired it was no different then to what it's like now..... except for all the modern day keyboard warriors! |
Saying that the fans prefer getting beat is utter nonsense. Seriously, what are you talking about? Who would actually prefer their team to get beat. I know the fans could be classed as masochists, as they keep returning for more pain and don't learn their lesson and just stay away, but seriously, I very much doubt that any fan wants to see Rovers getting beat every week.
Most of the comments I've heard along the lines of "it'll never last" and/or "they'll blow it like they ayewiz do Raith dinnae want to go up" are from folk who hardly ever attend anyway, or you find out the last time they went to a game was in the '80s or '90s. However, last season the comments were possibly said as, in truth, we never really looked like title title challengers, despite our league position. The comments of "I'll no be back"which have been uttered this season are understandable given the garbage we've been watching, but the comments usually come out in the heat of the moment by fans leaving the ground. I have yet to utter those words yet this season, but the thought is sometimes in my head.
As for "it all comes down to money", we should consult Jim McLean, as he seemed to do okay with inferior resources.
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Vinnie
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We dont normally agree SB but your spot on this time
| Quote: | | The fans fail as being typical dour Fifers they are super quick to moan |
Nothing to do with being typical Fifers,its the norm for most if not all supporters of other clubs when things are not going well.
| Quote: | | We have to get used to the idea we are a wee club from a poor area with finicky fans who have delusions of grandeur. |
Depends what you constitute being a wee team.Ross County=wee team and currently top of the league.From a poor area,yes we are but thats the case all over Scotland.Finicky fans,no more so than other clubs.Delusions if grandeur,very much doubt it.
| Quote: | | The ones who were still there last week will be the ones who are still there all this and next season. |
Beg to differ on that.The regulars are dwindling.
| Quote: | | The hingers on will come and go with changes in the weather and guess what? the moaners will still find something to moan about to make them happy. |
Supporters are not moaning for the sake of moaning.
Jim McLean had the right idea,pay was performance related.Crappy wages but excellent bonuses.
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Whoosh!
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