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Vinnie
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| zicoromaines wrote: | | I think we should all get a grip we really are a wee team,with a potential of a max of 3000 to 4000 fans if everything is hunky dory.On a bad season we probably have a hard core support of 800 to 1200 this again depends on results.To assume anything different smacks on delusion.Wehave to live within our means and if that means a split squad of 20 full and part-time players I for one would prefer that.This gives the manager a bigger squad of players to chose from. |
Has anyone said anything to the contrary?
Was there not an opportunity not there this season to go with a bigger squad with mix of full time and part time but JM chose to go with smaller but total full time squad?
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Hearts fan I know said on Facebook there's been a few rumours that Sergio is leaving them and McGlynn is taking over, hopefully it's just that, rumours! |
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rw89
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Romanov is still in charge, he'll be going nowhere I'd expect. Plus, Hearts can't probably even pay the compensation. |
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lbarnett-bl
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| rw89 wrote: | | Romanov is still in charge, he'll be going nowhere I'd expect. Plus, Hearts can't probably even pay the compensation. |
Yeah I found it unlikely but thought I'd just share in case anything comes of it. |
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CoachBombay
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Why do people keep banging on about winning the 2nd Division? For a club of Raiths size/finances we dwarfed anyone in the league that year. Also I'd say up until the latest cuts this season we really should have been at the very least a mid-table 1st Division side. Yes, we done well to get second place but it would have been rediculous if that team was promoted to the SPL - we were way behind Dunfermline and Dundee in terms of class and ability.
I don't think McGylnn should go, yet. But I do think that he has only maintained what this club should be attaining given it's size. 2 good achievements (2nd place & Scottish Semi's) but nothing particularly brilliant.
Winning the league cup is Brilliant, getting promoted with a side that could compete in the SPL would be brilliant.
For me John McGlynn is a hard worker and a good organiser. I wouldn't say he's a great motivator/man manager or tactician.
He's OK at finding a player but there has been a few duds over the years. For me he gets pass marks at the moment but to get relegated this season would certainly change my mind.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| ^^^ probably the best post on this thread |
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Cuparman
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| Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| CoachBombay wrote: | Why do people keep banging on about winning the 2nd Division? For a club of Raiths size/finances we dwarfed anyone in the league that year. Also I'd say up until the latest cuts this season we really should have been at the very least a mid-table 1st Division side. Yes, we done well to get second place but it would have been rediculous if that team was promoted to the SPL - we were way behind Dunfermline and Dundee in terms of class and ability.
I don't think McGylnn should go, yet. But I do think that he has only maintained what this club should be attaining given it's size. 2 good achievements (2nd place & Scottish Semi's) but nothing particularly brilliant.
Winning the league cup is Brilliant, getting promoted with a side that could compete in the SPL would be brilliant.
For me John McGlynn is a hard worker and a good organiser. I wouldn't say he's a great motivator/man manager or tactician.
He's OK at finding a player but there has been a few duds over the years. For me he gets pass marks at the moment but to get relegated this season would certainly change my mind. |
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Scary Bear
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| Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| CoachBombay wrote: | Why do people keep banging on about winning the 2nd Division? For a club of Raiths size/finances we dwarfed anyone in the league that year. Also I'd say up until the latest cuts this season we really should have been at the very least a mid-table 1st Division side. Yes, we done well to get second place but it would have been rediculous if that team was promoted to the SPL - we were way behind Dunfermline and Dundee in terms of class and ability.
I don't think McGylnn should go, yet. But I do think that he has only maintained what this club should be attaining given it's size. 2 good achievements (2nd place & Scottish Semi's) but nothing particularly brilliant.
Winning the league cup is Brilliant, getting promoted with a side that could compete in the SPL would be brilliant.
For me John McGlynn is a hard worker and a good organiser. I wouldn't say he's a great motivator/man manager or tactician.
He's OK at finding a player but there has been a few duds over the years. For me he gets pass marks at the moment but to get relegated this season would certainly change my mind. |
You seem to think Raith Rovers are bigger than they actually are. Ayr United are of a similar size/finances and were hardly dwarved by Rovers. East Fife, although not having comparable support, also had money the season we won the league. I would imagine that paying the 'mortgage' for the ground depletes Rovers available funds to an extent, negating our advantage over 'smaller' clubs. Why do some people belittle winning the title?
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Cuparman
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According to the census last done about 3 years ago...............Kirkcaldy is the tenth largest town/city in Scotland.
Larger than dunfermline spl.....St johnstone spl.....motherwell spl....kilmarnock spl....Inverness spl...hamilton spl........some of these are in a lot of debt but not all.
Funnily enough, these clubs have to compete against the old firm for fans as well.........no different or worse than us.
Anything less than the top half of the 1st Div can only be viewed as failure. We (the club,players,board etal) cannot continually shrug their shoulders blaming every body and every one else.
I am at a loss as to how a club can "over" estimate club gate/finances, surely it should always be the other way around and then if we get lucky we could go out and spend.
Now................what was this topic about 
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Only thing is mate half of Kircaldy don't support raith  |
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moodyblue
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:46 am Post subject: |
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| hellohello wrote: | | Only thing is mate half of Kircaldy don't support raith |
We'd have no money problems if the other half did support Raith  |
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rovers4ever
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Methinks it's more like 2/3rds. With a population of 60k, taking into account Burntisland, Kinghorn and surrounding towns, that's probably 20k as a conservative estimate, not including supporters from Glenrothes and the exiles.
The 'diehard' element probably number 1,200, so we seem to be attracting 5 to 10% of the potential support. We know the potential is out there, based on how many turned up for the derby matches and the cup semi.
However, being realistic, it won't happen because of the endless coverage of football on TV.
The best we can hope for is a doubling in the 'diehard' element to say 2,500, augmented by supporters who can't go every week, which would hopefully lead to 3,000+ crowds on a regular basis, which doesn't take into account the away support.
Basically hoping we stay up, Dunfermline come down and Cowdenbeath and East Fife both come up. |
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Scary Bear
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:17 am Post subject: |
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| Cuparman wrote: | According to the census last done about 3 years ago...............Kirkcaldy is the tenth largest town/city in Scotland.
Larger than dunfermline spl.....St johnstone spl.....motherwell spl....kilmarnock spl....Inverness spl...hamilton spl........some of these are in a lot of debt but not all.
Funnily enough, these clubs have to compete against the old firm for fans as well.........no different or worse than us.
Anything less than the top half of the 1st Div can only be viewed as failure. We (the club,players,board etal) cannot continually shrug their shoulders blaming every body and every one else.
I am at a loss as to how a club can "over" estimate club gate/finances, surely it should always be the other way around and then if we get lucky we could go out and spend.
Now................what was this topic about |
From memory, the last census was in 2011. I didn't even know the census results were out yet. Do you have a link?
Motherwell, Killie and the Pars *spit* are the establishment teams in their respective regions. The population of the towns that they reside in has little to do with their attendances. They also draw fans from all the wee towns and villages in the vicinity. When we had a cup final we struggled to draw over 10,000 fans. Contrast that with the three teams I mentioned who have all taken over 20,000 fans to cup finals in recent times. This shows the depth of support out there for these teams, in comparison with Rovers.
What is the population of Inverness according to the 2011 census? ICT are in a remote location and Inverness is now a city, with several surrounding towns/villages, and there appear too be plans for future expansion.
I think St Johnstone and Hamilton are of similar to us, although Perth is a much more affluent town.
These clubs are all in the SPL, so it is possibly easier for them to attract fans than it would be for a lower league club. Probably not much easier though, given the prices they charge are higher than we charge.
We had one freak season, where by all accounts we lost money and still didn't get promoted to the SPL, and fans now think we should be top half of the first division. The season before last we were all very happy at avoiding relegation and remaining in this division.
I just googled the census and found this link, which notes the provisional census info isn't due to be released until Autumn 2012.
http://www.scotlandscensus.gov.uk/en/reference/timelines/2011_large.html
Not sure what any of this has to do with the discussion on John McGlynn, but I like a natter that goes of at a tangent.
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Cuparman
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I googled it sometime ago as I had a "discussion" about the subject.
I think I asked google what the population of towns were in scotland,
I remember that hamilton, dunfermline and us were almost the same.
I was surprised that paisley has a 72000 population, never thought it was that large. Kilmarnock was about 38000.Think Perth washigh 30's as well.
Dont know why I am trying to write this................I shoulda just re-googled it 
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Cuparman
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Here is the link. Also noticed some of my quoted figures are a bit out. Its simply a question of, can you corrolate a town to its football teams league success/position etc. ie......can we really claim that we are badly supported cos of weegies or is there more to it?.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_towns_and_cities_in_Scotland_by_population
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