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What result would you be happy with
Rovers win
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Rovers draw
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As much as I would have loved us to get the 3points, I this kid th 1-1draw was a fair result on balance of play.

Ayr however are a real dirty team, they must have that dirty streak installed by Mcall, it's just a wonder how they get away with quite a few of those challenges before being booked.

Still on top 1 point clear with 2 games in hand, so the momentum is still with us & Ayr need to hope we slip up but they also need to win every game so they're under pressure too, teams will still cause them issues but with they're new Gk he looks a bit more solid with high balls & we needed to stop punting the ball up to spence & Buchanan as they're 2 Centre halfs were having an easy time, we actually need to stop that in any of our games as we've no height up front, we need the ball into feet or played in behind.

Good change by BS at h/time bringing on Barr, I know he isn't fully fit but I just thought Herron slowed the game down to much & didn't have any real impact for us, I've not seem him give us anything to offer even before he was injured. Would have liked to see what the young lad Hendry has to offer us & just wondering when he will get a game!...

We sat back with about 5mins to play & invited Ayr onto us, I just think we should have stretched the game & brought on Court or Osei fro Buchanan & also maybe Hendry for Spence & flooded the midfield. Doesn't seem that BS likes making subs for fresh legs though & would rather see a game out with the starting 11.

With all that said still top of the league


Why would he put Osei on at such a crucial stage of a crucial game, when there is no evidence as of yet to suggest he's good enough for this level.

As for the young lad from Celtic, I'd guess if he was better than what we currently have he would be playing. No point at all playing him for the sake of it, that's what bounce games are for. Throwing unproven youngsters on when a game is locked at 1-1 probably isn't the best idea. And other than Bobby Barr, that's more or less what our bench consists of. We aren't blessed with impressive squad depth to make the sweeping substitutions people are demanding.


To be fair to Yaw he has had very little game time this season. I would have liked to have seen his pace used more.

He will be leaving at the end of the season anyway...probably go on to do well elsewhere then a lot of folk on here will be asking why we didn't keep him. !!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Specky Ginger wrote:
duke of atholl wrote:
Niall Russell wrote:
It's always interesting, reading how people view a match (sometimes very differently from each other).

A friend of mine took his 10 year old son to the game on Saturday (his first of the season), and the lad wrote a match report to show his class.

They were keen that I get a read of it - it was a very balanced report, with interesting observations on Ayr's "robust" approach to the game, as well as McCall's performance at the end. Even a 10 year old was able to spot he'd made an @rse of himself....

The bit that nearly made me fall off my chair reading it, though, was the following observation on the atmosphere in the Penman Stand:

"All the people around me were swearing and criticising. They didn’t even seem to enjoy the match."

I've had a word with him, advising that watching the Rovers in pressure matches can be stressful for some of us Wink


Maybe a point to be taken on board by all. It is supposed to be the Penman FAMILY stand after all. Some of the language is dreadful.


Is it?

I'm not sure if it's a Family Stand sponsored by Penman or a stand sponsored by the Penman Family.
There used to be a sign up in the block of seats nearest to the main stand saying 'Preferred Family Section' but not sure if it's still there. I'd suspect not given that it's right next to the away fans.


That's sign is stil up in the south stand, it's in the are next to the main stand where the small stravelling support sit...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CrapHouseRat wrote:
CALDERON wrote:
Mike Oxbentt wrote:
As much as I would have loved us to get the 3points, I this kid th 1-1draw was a fair result on balance of play.

Ayr however are a real dirty team, they must have that dirty streak installed by Mcall, it's just a wonder how they get away with quite a few of those challenges before being booked.

Still on top 1 point clear with 2 games in hand, so the momentum is still with us & Ayr need to hope we slip up but they also need to win every game so they're under pressure too, teams will still cause them issues but with they're new Gk he looks a bit more solid with high balls & we needed to stop punting the ball up to spence & Buchanan as they're 2 Centre halfs were having an easy time, we actually need to stop that in any of our games as we've no height up front, we need the ball into feet or played in behind.

Good change by BS at h/time bringing on Barr, I know he isn't fully fit but I just thought Herron slowed the game down to much & didn't have any real impact for us, I've not seem him give us anything to offer even before he was injured. Would have liked to see what the young lad Hendry has to offer us & just wondering when he will get a game!...

We sat back with about 5mins to play & invited Ayr onto us, I just think we should have stretched the game & brought on Court or Osei fro Buchanan & also maybe Hendry for Spence & flooded the midfield. Doesn't seem that BS likes making subs for fresh legs though & would rather see a game out with the starting 11.

With all that said still top of the league


Why would he put Osei on at such a crucial stage of a crucial game, when there is no evidence as of yet to suggest he's good enough for this level.

As for the young lad from Celtic, I'd guess if he was better than what we currently have he would be playing. No point at all playing him for the sake of it, that's what bounce games are for. Throwing unproven youngsters on when a game is locked at 1-1 probably isn't the best idea. And other than Bobby Barr, that's more or less what our bench consists of. We aren't blessed with impressive squad depth to make the sweeping substitutions people are demanding.


To be fair to Yaw he has had very little game time this season. I would have liked to have seen his pace used more.

He will be leaving at the end of the season anyway...probably go on to do well elsewhere then a lot of folk on here will be asking why we didn't keep him. !!


I'd guess he hasn't had game time because he isn't good enough. In the time he's had, he has rarely impressed.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no danger we will regret letting Osei go.

Not a chance he'll go on to have a career in full time football. It's actually embarrassing watching him play.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cmon.. he is not that bad. At U20s he is generally one of the better players on the park in our team that includes Court, MacKay, Berry, Stevenson, etc.. So by that logic none of these will make it, which i doubt. He is fast, has good skill, a bit one footed but definitely not that bad. Think he is one of these players that needs a good run of games to get going. Don't think he can be judged on what we have seen first team wise. His performances at U20s level are normally good.

I dont think any of our U20s have been given a fair chance this season, except for when we had no option due to injury.

Court never gets a look in, Osei, Berry, Stevenson, etc. Same would apply to Mackay if Kyle or McHattie not injured.

The manager was given a remit by the board...promotion and to use youth more. We are on track for the first, but not so sure BS values any of our U20s..which could be fair enough if they are not good enough..However, its league 1 we are in, we should be able to pitch in youngsters here and there and still win most weeks. The other teams in the league play their U20s. If they are good enough they should be play, I mean some of them are 20, hardly youngsters.

As someone who contributes every month to the youth development fund it pains me when we are 2 up and BS still does not bring on subs to give them some game time. Or waits till the 92nd min to tell Court to go on for 30 seconds...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The focus this season is on promotion. We dont have the luxury of playing these guys if they aren't ready.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not disagreeing with that at all, for sure that is the priority number 1. But I think there have been games where we could have played them and still achieved that goal or at least brought them into the game at some stage when it was the right time to do so. A general point about BS use of subs..here are last 10 games.

Ayr - 0 subs
Forfar - 1 sub
East Fife - 1 sub
Stranraer - 2 subs
Arbroath - 1 sub
Airdrie - 2 subs
Alloa - 2 subs (1 forced via injury)
Queens Park - 3 subs
Ayr - 3 subs
East Fife - 1 sub

So on average less than 2 subs per game.. 1.6 to be exact if the match reports are correct.

Not saying we should be making subs for the sake of it, but its clear BS does not like using his full quota or he does not think anyone on the bench is good enough.

So long as we are winning and top of the league, that is the main thing though.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair to Smith, he could point to the game time that Watson and McKay have had this season. I know it's been through necessity but often that is how young players get their first opportunity. It's then up to them to prove they're good enough when the chance comes along.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AuthorUnknown wrote:
To be fair to Smith, he could point to the game time that Watson and McKay have had this season. I know it's been through necessity but often that is how young players get their first opportunity. It's then up to them to prove they're good enough when the chance comes along.


Smith strikes me as the kind of person that it doesn't matter how you play, once our first choice player for that position or someone he favours comes back in then the youngster is punted. I think Mackay has had a great run of games and has played very well for us but once Bene is back then he'll not get a look in. You only need to look at G. Smith, a lumbering oaf who is probably going to play every game for us the rest of the season when we have a young keeper who is better than him wasting on the bench.
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I'd like to see Bene back in the team once match fit, wouldn't you? The young lad has done a fine job and will be a good back up who can be relied upon if required, just like he has been so thus far.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave McKay has proved himself to be a very good strong and more than capable first team player and shouldn't be automatically replaced because a player returning from injury is classed as fit to play. Kyle Benedictus will have to prove himself as a better replacement not an automatic replacement . How many returning from injury players have gone backwards or weren't ready, is it worth chancing before he plays in a few development games of friendlies and that goes for all long term injury players,
Age shouldn't be a factor in choosing a player, Brian Cooper played against Celtic when he was 18 and no one blinked an eye he just got on with it.
Every game is just as important than the next whoever we play against and if a player is on form he should be in the starting line up.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony Fimister wrote:
Dave McKay has proved himself to be a very good strong and more than capable first team player and shouldn't be automatically replaced because a player returning from injury is classed as fit to play. Kyle Benedictus will have to prove himself as a better replacement not an automatic replacement . How many returning from injury players have gone backwards or weren't ready, is it worth chancing before he plays in a few development games of friendlies and that goes for all long term injury players,
Age shouldn't be a factor in choosing a player, Brian Cooper played against Celtic when he was 18 and no one blinked an eye he just got on with it.
Every game is just as important than the next whoever we play against and if a player is on form he should be in the starting line up.

Absolutely agree.
If it ain't broke....etc. Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Castle wrote:
I'd like to see Bene back in the team once match fit, wouldn't you? The young lad has done a fine job and will be a good back up who can be relied upon if required, just like he has been so thus far.


Why is the general opinion that it'd be MCKay who'd be the more likely one to get dropped?

Murray is ok at lb (unless he's backing off players) but hasn't impressed at CB in any games I've seen despite that being his preferred position.
Davo is in the form of his life just now (shame he's suspended now) but at the beginning of the season most of us had him written off as a bench filler.
McHattie continues to divide opinion with half of us apparently desperate for his return and the other half citing him as a poor and injury prone defender.

McKays far from the finished article and is guilty of losing his man at times but he has to learn and won't do so unless he plays. So I'd be for keeping him and probably Bene in the middle when fit. He and Bene would be my 1st choices for next season.

Ramshackle as our defence appears to be it's still joint equal with Annan as being the meanest defence in the land. Our squad issues aren't huge but any that there are must surely be with the midfield. Against Ayr in the 1st half they tore us open on 3 or 4 occasions, fortunately they only scored the once.

I definitely don't see any need to bring in another defender (not now, perhaps before) or even as said elsewhere a 6'+ centre forward. Yes it'd be nice to have different options (but Court gives us a little of that) for punting it long but lets not forget the opening goal against Forfar came from the diminutive Buchanan beautifully controlling a long punt from Smith. For one so short Buchanan wins more than his share of 50/50s against much bigger blokes. Instead of going route one we should be going on the deck from out wide and through the middle.

Another wide player or creative midfielder (like Connolly) would be a better shout IMO.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely Davidson and Benedictus are now our first choice centre back pairing?

Thomson at right back and then either Murray/McHattie at left back.

Tough on McKay perhaps but his time will come.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AuthorUnknown wrote:
Surely Davidson and Benedictus are now our first choice centre back pairing?

Thomson at right back and then either Murray/McHattie at left back.

Tough on McKay perhaps but his time will come.


This..Davidson and Benedictus would my first choice centre back pairing

Left back is a tricky one though.Murray is better defendng than McHattie but distribution is generally poor.McHattie better going forward and distribution wise
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