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| Cheerleaders - please specify what age |
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| Play more aggressive music pre-match and at half-time - NWA? ACDC? |
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| Chip in and sign one decent player every season who can actually get fans excited |
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| Smuggle in hip flasks |
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| Just give up and sit in silence |
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| Bring back (dig up?) the bugler |
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| Hire an Oompa Band to remind us of Munich |
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| Get a drummer, like Livi |
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| Get some pre-pubescent ultras |
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| Organise a Singing/Booing Section |
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Jonathan
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| Tam wrote: | | The booing was directed at the inept coaches, who took off players when there other players who were under performing that should have been subbed. |
I know exactly why the 'fans' were booing, but if I was a Raith player and I heard that at 2-0 up, I'd be thinking that we can do nothing right.
Tam, you and I and every Raith fan have one thing in common... Compared to any manager or senior footballer in Scotland we know absolutely NOTHING about football.
We also don't know of other reasons (other than playing poorly i.e. an injury) why a manager might have to substitute a player.
This is not the 1990s. That was a one-off. We have a football team to support in the second tier of Scottish football, where we belong. We are in huge debt that needs to be repaid and until it is, then we need to accept that the football might not be to our liking.
If you know, before a football match, that you're not going to enjoy the match, then don't turn up. If you cannot enjoy a win, then don't turn up.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Jonathan wrote: | | Tam wrote: | | The booing was directed at the inept coaches, who took off players when there other players who were under performing that should have been subbed. |
I know exactly why the 'fans' were booing, but if I was a Raith player and I heard that at 2-0 up, I'd be thinking that we can do nothing right.
Tam, you and I and every Raith fan have one thing in common... Compared to any manager or senior footballer in Scotland we know absolutely NOTHING about football.
We also don't know of other reasons (other than playing poorly i.e. an injury) why a manager might have to substitute a player.
This is not the 1990s. That was a one-off. We have a football team to support in the second tier of Scottish football, where we belong. We are in huge debt that needs to be repaid and until it is, then we need to accept that the football might not be to our liking.
If you know, before a football match, that you're not going to enjoy the match, then don't turn up. If you cannot enjoy a win, then don't turn up.
You are not helping the team get any better. |
Too many folk aren't turning up because they aren't enjoying it. The reason for that is Grant Murray. If we keep losing fans because of the utter rubbish we have watched under him that isn't going to help reach our goal of clearing our debt. It's going to take a long time for Murray to win over the doubters and until then plenty of his substitutions will be booed. |
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Jonathan
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| AuthorUnknown wrote: | | Jonathan wrote: | | Tam wrote: | | The booing was directed at the inept coaches, who took off players when there other players who were under performing that should have been subbed. |
I know exactly why the 'fans' were booing, but if I was a Raith player and I heard that at 2-0 up, I'd be thinking that we can do nothing right.
Tam, you and I and every Raith fan have one thing in common... Compared to any manager or senior footballer in Scotland we know absolutely NOTHING about football.
We also don't know of other reasons (other than playing poorly i.e. an injury) why a manager might have to substitute a player.
This is not the 1990s. That was a one-off. We have a football team to support in the second tier of Scottish football, where we belong. We are in huge debt that needs to be repaid and until it is, then we need to accept that the football might not be to our liking.
If you know, before a football match, that you're not going to enjoy the match, then don't turn up. If you cannot enjoy a win, then don't turn up.
You are not helping the team get any better. |
Too many folk aren't turning up because they aren't enjoying it. The reason for that is Grant Murray. If we keep losing fans because of the utter rubbish we have watched under him that isn't going to help reach our goal of clearing our debt. It's going to take a long time for Murray to win over the doubters and until then plenty of his substitutions will be booed. |
The Raith fans haven't been turning up for years. The home crowds in our run-in with Dunfermline under McGlynn were embarrassing. The football was often criticised back then too.
Even under Nicholl, our crowds were never the same as a Falkirk or Dunfermline.
If you or any other fans think it's okay to boo your team when winning 2-0, for any reason, you really need to think about stopping coming along. |
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StarksBarmy
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Why should the 90's be a one off?
It may well turn out that way but clubs like St Johnstone and St Mirren have had longs runs in top flight and both won major trophies in the last few years. Are they seriously much bigger clubs than ourselves? We were only one game from a Scottish Cup final v Ross County not so long ago. I for one dream and actually anticipate the glory days returning, might seem it now but it is far from impossible with correct management, hard work and a good bit luck...
People booed Murray. Murray himself might claim to never read newspapers or read Raith related stuff online but his players will know that their manager isn't flavour of the month. The said Dumbarton game, the players were cheered off the park at HT and warmly applauded at FT, how is that forgotten yet a handful of people booing the managers' choice of substitution isn't? |
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| StarksBarmy wrote: |
People booed Murray. Murray himself might claim to never read newspapers or read Raith related stuff online but his players will know that their manager isn't flavour of the month. The said Dumbarton game, the players were cheered off the park at HT and warmly applauded at FT, how is that forgotten yet a handful of people booing the managers' choice of substitution isn't? |
Agree with this.
With regard to attendances, this season I just need to look at the seats around me and see that people who attended at the start of the season no longer do. |
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Kirky
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I'm one of the Murray stay-aways now. I've been a regular attender at home and away matches for many a year, and though I used to miss the odd game I would generally be at 30-35 games a season. The dross that's generally been on show from Rovers this past year and a bit finally pushed me over the edge, and I haven't been at any games since November. I will not be back till Murray has gone, and that's a fact.
I suspect there are quite a few folk like me now, and that's a damned shame that the directors cannot or will not do something to arrest the decline. And before anyone says things have improved in the last few games, I'm talking about consistently decent performances, and we've not had that for a long time.
My season ticket gathers dust on the shelf. |
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You say the board haven't done anything to arrest the decline but they have just not what you wanted which was to fire Grant Murray. Saying it's a fact you won't be back as long as Murray is in charge is strange stance to take. As unlikely as it may be we might yet make the playoffs and/or beat Rangers in the cup. If we had some massive games towards the season end would you still stubbornly refuse to attend because the board didn't sack someone?
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Kirky
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| Castle wrote: | | You say the board haven't done anything to arrest the decline but they have just not what you wanted which was to fire Grant Murray. Saying it's a fact you won't be back as long as Murray is in charge is strange stance to take. As unlikely as it may be we might yet make the playoffs and/or beat Rangers in the cup. If we had some massive games towards the season end would you still stubbornly refuse to attend because the board didn't sack someone? |
I will not be back till Murray has ceased to be our manager.
No matter what.
I (and i suspect many others) have become so entrenched in our views by his awful management style that its time to take a stand.
Just not a seat in the stand. |
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Craig_1986
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| There's far to big a separation between fans and team/manager to realistically see the atmosphere improve at Starks anytime soon. |
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| Castle wrote: | | You say the board haven't done anything to arrest the decline but they have just not what you wanted which was to fire Grant Murray. Saying it's a fact you won't be back as long as Murray is in charge is strange stance to take. As unlikely as it may be we might yet make the playoffs and/or beat Rangers in the cup. If we had some massive games towards the season end would you still stubbornly refuse to attend because the board didn't sack someone? |
As you say the club have done something to arrest the decline in the appointment of Malpas. 4 games unbeaten so it has had an impact. Hopefully the fans can recognise this and get behind the team positively.
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Each to their own I suppose
Been known to like a good moan but behind Tam and AuthorUnknown in the moaning stakes :lol:but not enamoured by the manager and have been critical of him and our general play but still doesn,t stop me going to watch my club/team
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| roverthemoon wrote: | | Castle wrote: | | You say the board haven't done anything to arrest the decline but they have just not what you wanted which was to fire Grant Murray. Saying it's a fact you won't be back as long as Murray is in charge is strange stance to take. As unlikely as it may be we might yet make the playoffs and/or beat Rangers in the cup. If we had some massive games towards the season end would you still stubbornly refuse to attend because the board didn't sack someone? |
As you say the club have done something to arrest the decline in the appointment of Malpas. 4 games unbeaten so it has had an impact. Hopefully the fans can recognise this and get behind the team positively. |
Firstly, I don't hate Murray. Hate is a futile emotion. It is however fair to say that I do not rate his management capabilities at our level, and I've seen nothing over the last year to suggest he's getting things right. Until he's gone from that sphere of influence I will not be persuaded otherwise in my views (save for a remarkable and IMHO highly unlikely serious upturn in our performances that can be directly attributed to Murray).
Feel free to queue up and buy the tickets to the mythical cup semi or mythical playoff place. I will not be dismayed if they sell out without my involvement.
For recent performances I have to rely on opinions posted on this website. It would seem that we are still generally inept in front of goal, and still playing gash for large portions of matches. Not exactly stuff that would inspire a stay away like myself to start turning up again.
Stubborn? Maybe. That's my choice. |
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Soundwave
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| Craig_1986 wrote: | | There's far to big a separation between fans and team/manager to realistically see the atmosphere improve at Starks anytime soon. |
What more are you expecting from the team/manager to make them "closer" to the fans? Or is your suggestion that the fans need to do more (perhaps abusing them less on a frequent basis?) |
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Craig_1986
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| Soundwave wrote: | | Craig_1986 wrote: | | There's far to big a separation between fans and team/manager to realistically see the atmosphere improve at Starks anytime soon. |
What more are you expecting from the team/manager to make them "closer" to the fans? Or is your suggestion that the fans need to do more (perhaps abusing them less on a frequent basis?) |
I expect Murray to come out and high 5 every supporter in the South Stand before the game, maybe even sing Ring a Ring Of Roses with Roary on the trackside.
My post wasn't suggesting anything nor did it mention anything about feeling "closer" to the fans. The seperation I've mentioned stems from the many months we've had to put up with inept performances causing dwindling crowds and many fans not having faith in the current management team. |
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Biggles
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| StarksBarmy wrote: | Why should the 90's be a one off?
It may well turn out that way but clubs like St Johnstone and St Mirren have had longs runs in top flight and both won major trophies in the last few years. Are they seriously much bigger clubs than ourselves? We were only one game from a Scottish Cup final v Ross County not so long ago. I for one dream and actually anticipate the glory days returning, might seem it now but it is far from impossible with correct management, hard work and a good bit luck...
People booed Murray. Murray himself might claim to never read newspapers or read Raith related stuff online but his players will know that their manager isn't flavour of the month. The said Dumbarton game, the players were cheered off the park at HT and warmly applauded at FT, how is that forgotten yet a handful of people booing the managers' choice of substitution isn't? |
You cannot compare us with St Johnstone because the two clubs are run on entirely different budgets. They own a stadium that is fit for purpose; its location is excellent and it generates income for the club on a daily basis. We have no such income and never will.
It's a pity we hadn't been a bit more savvy when the decision was made to rebuild Stark's Park instead of moving to the A92. |
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