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| IF our squad were all fit and playing....who would you choose/like to see as our club captain?.... |
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57% |
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4% |
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daryl1990
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| CoachBombay wrote: | Ok so w should give the guy a chance because he's 19 and might one day be a good player? By the same logic Lee Bryce (if he was still here), Jamie Mackie, Wedderburn etc should all be in the first team starting 11 also? The guy is not good enough at this moment in time and could play for the 19's/reserve team. How about the fact that most of the time he runs up the wing he runs out of ideas and gets very easily pushed off the ball...
I don't consider myself to be over reacting at all, i wish i was infact. This season will be a case of hoping that Cowden etc are weaker rather than us being a solid 1st division team, we're not and are a weaker side in comparison to last season.
Like i said before i hope i'm wrong and will support the team and pay my gate money no matter what but will also say what i see. |
How do you know he isn't good enough, he has played one game. If Messi has an off day is he suddenly not good enough for Barca?
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rw89
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| CoachBombay wrote: | Ok so w should give the guy a chance because he's 19 and might one day be a good player? By the same logic Lee Bryce (if he was still here), Jamie Mackie, Wedderburn etc should all be in the first team starting 11 also? The guy is not good enough at this moment in time and could play for the 19's/reserve team. How about the fact that most of the time he runs up the wing he runs out of ideas and gets very easily pushed off the ball...
I don't consider myself to be over reacting at all, i wish i was infact. This season will be a case of hoping that Cowden etc are weaker rather than us being a solid 1st division team, we're not and are a weaker side in comparison to last season.
Like i said before i hope i'm wrong and will support the team and pay my gate money no matter what but will also say what i see. |
McBride scored something like 12 goals for Cowden last year. That suggests he can cut it at a professional level. People need to calm down. Last year we were all saying that after an average preseason and getting knocked out the challenge cup first round we were going to go down. 6 games later, we had beaten East Fife, the Pars and were the only team unbeaten in the league which we'd led a one stage. I'm not saying we'll repeat it but in all honest, if you measure a season on the first game then you are an idiot. Same goes for judging a player on one game. And judging by this forum the vast majority of people are questionable.
Get a grip, get behind the team and instead of booing players make our team have a support which makes us proud such as the ones seen in Aberdeen and Dundee. |
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CoachBombay
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| rw89 wrote: | | CoachBombay wrote: | Ok so w should give the guy a chance because he's 19 and might one day be a good player? By the same logic Lee Bryce (if he was still here), Jamie Mackie, Wedderburn etc should all be in the first team starting 11 also? The guy is not good enough at this moment in time and could play for the 19's/reserve team. How about the fact that most of the time he runs up the wing he runs out of ideas and gets very easily pushed off the ball...
I don't consider myself to be over reacting at all, i wish i was infact. This season will be a case of hoping that Cowden etc are weaker rather than us being a solid 1st division team, we're not and are a weaker side in comparison to last season.
Like i said before i hope i'm wrong and will support the team and pay my gate money no matter what but will also say what i see. |
McBride scored something like 12 goals for Cowden last year. That suggests he can cut it at a professional level. People need to calm down. Last year we were all saying that after an average preseason and getting knocked out the challenge cup first round we were going to go down. 6 games later, we had beaten East Fife, the Pars and were the only team unbeaten in the league which we'd led a one stage. I'm not saying we'll repeat it but in all honest, if you measure a season on the first game then you are an idiot. Same goes for judging a player on one game. And judging by this forum the vast majority of people are questionable.
Get a grip, get behind the team and instead of booing players make our team have a support which makes us proud such as the ones seen in Aberdeen and Dundee. |
First of all, I haven't "boood" any player. McBride may have scored goals in the second Div but as we know that does not guarantee goals in the first (Weir, Wardlaw).
Second, I am not making any points based on one game. I'm looking at the likes of Daz Smith going and McBride coming in... It does not add up to me and I feel we'll struggle this season, more so than last.
Last year we went on a run of games when we were playing above ourselves and scraping wins when maybe it should have been a draw here and there. Fair enough, you need that in a decent season but I simply don't think we have the squad this year.
As you can guess, I'm all for being confident, optimisic and hopeful but between signings, gameplay and tactics/formation I think we've got it wrong this year.
For us to be competitive I recon we'd need to:
-Remove Davo as captain and replace with Campbell/Ellis (See vote)
-Stop playing Simmons and Davo in CM together, Take out Davo for Walker perhaps
-Stop the obsession with getting K. Smith (although he is quality) and sort out our midfield (we already have Baird, Tade, Mole, Weir, Ferry)
-Instead of constantly floating balls into the back post (mostly overhit for a by kick), give our front men something they can actually attack |
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daryl1990
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Why do you have Ferry listed as a striker?
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KoozHamster16
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First of all, I haven't "boood" any player. McBride may have scored goals in the second Div but as we know that does not guarantee goals in the first (Weir, Wardlaw).
Second, I am not making any points based on one game. I'm looking at the likes of Daz Smith going and McBride coming in... It does not add up to me and I feel we'll struggle this season, more so than last.
Last year we went on a run of games when we were playing above ourselves and scraping wins when maybe it should have been a draw here and there. Fair enough, you need that in a decent season but I simply don't think we have the squad this year.
As you can guess, I'm all for being confident, optimisic and hopeful but between signings, gameplay and tactics/formation I think we've got it wrong this year.
For us to be competitive I recon we'd need to:
-Remove Davo as captain and replace with Campbell/Ellis (See vote)
-Stop playing Simmons and Davo in CM together, Take out Davo for Walker perhaps
-Stop the obsession with getting K. Smith (although he is quality) and sort out our midfield (we already have Baird, Tade, Mole, Weir, Ferry)
-Instead of constantly floating balls into the back post (mostly overhit for a by kick), give our front men something they can actually attack |
1. Changing the captain to either Cambell or Ellis does nothing to make us more competative. It will maybe bring a bit more leadership in the dressing room and on the park but that does not equate to making us competative.
2. Correct, but by replacing Davo with Walker you are replacing our best man at breaking up plays in midfield with someone who can create chances and link the play between Midfield and attack. I'd swap Simmons with Walker in all honesty as Walker is our best creative outlet in the Centre of Midfield and Davo is our best breakup man in Midfield.
3. What point is there sorting out a midfield that is just not necessarily weak, just has players playing out of position. IMHO, McBride and Tade playing wide of Walker and Davo/Simmons is a good enough Midfield for us this season. We need a goalscorer and we don't have one good enough to score the goals we need to improve this year, hence the obsession with Silent Bob.
4. Couldn't agree more, I hate watching us flight high balls into players like Weiry and Baird for them to try win a header against 6ft+ Centre Halfs.
It's been one game, one competative game. I have no doubt that McGlynn and the boys will do a job for us but only after we've played a quarter of the league campaign will i think it fair to start to pick faults. We need to give these new guys time to bed in. Tade took a wee while last year as did Johnny Russel on loan. Give them time |
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true_rover
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1. Changing the captain to either Cambell or Ellis does nothing to make us more competative. It will maybe bring a bit more leadership in the dressing room and on the park but that does not equate to making us competative.
2. Correct, but by replacing Davo with Walker you are replacing our best man at breaking up plays in midfield with someone who can create chances and link the play between Midfield and attack. I'd swap Simmons with Walker in all honesty as Walker is our best creative outlet in the Centre of Midfield and Davo is our best breakup man in Midfield.
3. What point is there sorting out a midfield that is just not necessarily weak, just has players playing out of position. IMHO, McBride and Tade playing wide of Walker and Davo/Simmons is a good enough Midfield for us this season. We need a goalscorer and we don't have one good enough to score the goals we need to improve this year, hence the obsession with Silent Bob.
4. Couldn't agree more, I hate watching us flight high balls into players like Weiry and Baird for them to try win a header against 6ft+ Centre Halfs.
It's been one game, one competative game. I have no doubt that McGlynn and the boys will do a job for us but only after we've played a quarter of the league campaign will i think it fair to start to pick faults. We need to give these new guys time to bed in. Tade took a wee while last year as did Johnny Russel on loan. Give them time |
Correct, completely correct.
According to the SFA website, Davidson is due to miss 2 games through suspension.
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Raith Fan
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In the league, I take it?
Good news at last. |
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duke of atholl
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I would definitely go for Ellis. He is the one player who always tries to gee-up the rest of the team: he is calm under pressure and, as well as being hard with players, he can also put a caring arm around the shoulder when required.
Absolutely shocking that the current club captain can only muster a couple of votes. Sad indictment of his attitude on the pitch. I really like Davo but he ain't no captain.
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Wee Eck
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| duke of atholl wrote: | I would definitely go for Ellis. He is the one player who always tries to gee-up the rest of the team: he is calm under pressure and, as well as being hard with players, he can also put a caring arm around the shoulder when required.
Absolutely shocking that the current club captain can only muster a couple of votes. Sad indictment of his attitude on the pitch. I really like Davo but he ain't no captain. |
I really wish I could see the same qualities in Ellis this season. So far I've watched him, as left back, totally ignore McBride on the left wing at Berwick until about the 75th minute, every previous "clearance" being punted into the midfield ruck. A panicky kick out from the corner against Cowdenbeath providing the goal scoring opportunity and poor defending, a poor pass and being out of position respectively contributing to the first three Dundee United goals. As Andy C wrote, he makes a good supporter. However, like the rest of the team, he'll improve as confidence returns.
I'm not sure a vote from less than 10% of the registered users is indicative of the views of the supporters.
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rigby rover
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I'm not sure a vote from less than 10% of the registered users is indicative of the views of the supporters. |
If the trust can take the views of 18 people who attended their forum as being indicative of the fans views on the club surely the views of more than 3 times as many people are very much indicative of what the fans think. |
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Vinnie
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| Well said RR.Read the article in the Press regarding the forum and it gave the impression there was a helluva lot more than 18 turned up and Wee Eck,I suggest you go and watch the video of the Utd game.There is no way you can apportion Utd`s first 3 goals to Ellis.The second one yes |
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Graeme Meldrum
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| rigby rover wrote: | | Wee Eck wrote: |
I'm not sure a vote from less than 10% of the registered users is indicative of the views of the supporters. |
If the trust can take the views of 18 people who attended their forum as being indicative of the fans views on the club surely the views of more than 3 times as many people are very much indicative of what the fans think. |
Good call RR |
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EdinburghRover84
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2. Correct, but by replacing Davo with Walker you are replacing our best man at breaking up plays in midfield with someone who can create chances and link the play between Midfield and attack. I'd swap Simmons with Walker in all honesty as Walker is our best creative outlet in the Centre of Midfield and Davo is our best breakup man in Midfield.
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According to the SFA website, Davidson is due to miss 2 games through suspension. |
Davidson is not the best player at breaking up play. If Murray was playing in midfield he could be. Better at heading, better at tackling and miles better at reading the game than Davo. Davo does make up for it on occassion with his energy and agression though. But that can make him a liability as well. Think people are forgetting that both simmons and walker are quite capable of breaking down play as well. |
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KoozHamster16
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| EdinburghRover84 wrote: | | true_rover wrote: | | KoozHamster16 wrote: | ]
2. Correct, but by replacing Davo with Walker you are replacing our best man at breaking up plays in midfield with someone who can create chances and link the play between Midfield and attack. I'd swap Simmons with Walker in all honesty as Walker is our best creative outlet in the Centre of Midfield and Davo is our best breakup man in Midfield.
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Correct, completely correct.
According to the SFA website, Davidson is due to miss 2 games through suspension. |
Davidson is not the best player at breaking up play. If Murray was playing in midfield he could be. Better at heading, better at tackling and miles better at reading the game than Davo. Davo does make up for it on occassion with his energy and agression though. But that can make him a liability as well. Think people are forgetting that both simmons and walker are quite capable of breaking down play as well. |
Murray can read the game better there is no doubt but i class Murray as a Defender and not a Midfielder. Davo a liability, who was sent off 3 times in 9 games last season? In my opinion Simmons is much mroe of a liability than Davo. As for Walker, yes he can break play up but he is more effective when given freedom to push forward and not have to worry about breaking up play.
What i can't understand is the unbridled hatred for Davo on this forum, a guy who for most of last season was injured but when he did play, ironically the team looked a little better because he was doing all the dirty jobs if you will that needed done, letting the other players concentrate on their game. Simmons is much more of a liability for this team than Davo will ever be. I wouldn't swap Davo for Simmons in a million years. Davo gives his all when he is on the pitch, he does get carried away at times and i'll be the first to admit it but to me he is more important and needed on the pitch than Carthorse Simmons |
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Alan Russell
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| Graeme Meldrum wrote: | | rigby rover wrote: | | Wee Eck wrote: |
I'm not sure a vote from less than 10% of the registered users is indicative of the views of the supporters. |
If the trust can take the views of 18 people who attended their forum as being indicative of the fans views on the club surely the views of more than 3 times as many people are very much indicative of what the fans think. |
Good call RR |
The views of 18 people who attended the forum plus the hundreds who completed the questionnaire, I think you'll find 
I've just had another look at the report from the forum, and in no place do we make the claim that it represents the views of any more than the 18 people in attendance at that event. Just as no-one on here is claiming that this poll represents the views of any more than the people who have voted on it.
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