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Neil M
Joined: 16 Aug 2008 Posts: 2593 Location: Aberdeen
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:58 am Post subject: |
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If the board are serious about moving this club forward, the MUST start learning from their mistakes instead of repeating them. Our squad is very small, we need Lewis's input - badly - to get out of this league. Selling any of our best players right now for anything less than a ridiculously high price would be professional suicide. I hope that thinking has stopped.
I agree completely that bored journalists pick up on what is written on forums like this, but that does us no favours whatsoever. It is usually negative towards our club and puts ideas into other peoples' heads. Namely the players and the clubs involved read it and something *can* develop from that. Hopefully it goes away this time. Then maybe we should stop assuming that our best players are far too good for us and speculating too much about that on here. Maybe we should wait until something is really going on (which it might well be now in this case). |
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Castle
Joined: 24 Jul 2010 Posts: 4940
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:01 am Post subject: |
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I guess the gamble is that we keep Lewis for this season in the knowledge that he will leave in 9 months for a pittance but even with him in the squad we still don't gain promotion. That said wihout Vaughan i think we have no chance of winning the league. With him in the squad we have a much greater chance although I still make Ayr favourites. I suppose it all comes down to the fee. Anything less than 100k and I don't think it will be worth it but having said that I am not I a position to say how much 90k could help the club. Considering we had to lay off a number of non playing staff only a couple of months ago then I'd imagine it could help greatly. _________________ Fantalk~Often wrong but never in doubt |
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Crazy Englishman
Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 6594 Location: sunny varna on the black sea coast
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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i think everyone on here is taking the wrong view on this. Yes LV is a huge asset at this point in time, but he is also a liability to the teams developement. As it stand and the way you are all talking, we are becoming a one man team and that would be a disaster for all.
People forget we have goals all over this squad and waiting to step up are Yaw and jonny Court who given the chance could i suggest have a positive impact on the team.
Yes LV is a positive asset for the rovers but he is not irreplaceable, no one is thats why its important that we the fans get behind all the players throughout the season. _________________ now enjoying my fishing time, at peace with nature. but being a avid radio ham my global contacts have increased. any hams around call me lz2csk on 14200 or their aboyuts |
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rw89
Joined: 11 Jul 2008 Posts: 2148
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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Crazy Englishman wrote: | i think everyone on here is taking the wrong view on this. Yes LV is a huge asset at this point in time, but he is also a liability to the teams developement. As it stand and the way you are all talking, we are becoming a one man team and that would be a disaster for all.
People forget we have goals all over this squad and waiting to step up are Yaw and jonny Court who given the chance could i suggest have a positive impact on the team.
Yes LV is a positive asset for the rovers but he is not irreplaceable, no one is thats why its important that we the fans get behind all the players throughout the season. |
There's hee haw danger we will become a one man team by keeping Vaughan. We've got Spence, Buchanan, Barr, Callachan and Matthews who can all have a huge impact. Vaughan is our best player, but not our only influencial player. |
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Strathallan Rover
Joined: 29 Nov 2014 Posts: 652
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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How anyone can call a striker who, if fit, can score 20-25 goals a liability is laughable. No way will JC & YO be able to step up and fill the gap if LV was to leave. We need to win promotion this year and it will only happen with LV at Stark's Park. |
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Craig_1986
Joined: 18 Jun 2011 Posts: 1841
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Vaughan is the best player at the club. Selling him would be madness and I doubt we'd see any player, current or new, fill the void if he was sold on. In fact I'd go as far as saying we won't the league without him. That's how influential of a player he is and he's pivotal in terms of how Smith sets up his team. |
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Mad Steve
Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 45
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:27 pm Post subject: It's simple |
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The board need to work out how much more money we make in the Championship, work out how much we would get for LV next summer and if the difference between any potential bid for him now and what we'd get next summer is smaller than the extra money to be made in the Championship then the bidding club should be told to get lost.
Once man does not make a team, but the scoring stats make a compelling argument to keep LV regardless of money offered.
If we were to cash in right now then would we have sufficient time to add a quality replacement to the squad?
This sort of nonsense is exactly why I would have the domestic transfer window closed the moment league football starts. |
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Craig_1986
Joined: 18 Jun 2011 Posts: 1841
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Crazy Englishman wrote: | but he is also a liability to the teams developement |
Whit?!?!? |
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Crazy Englishman
Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 6594 Location: sunny varna on the black sea coast
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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Craig_1986 wrote: | Crazy Englishman wrote: | but he is also a liability to the teams developement |
Whit?!?!? |
yes i know hes a asset, and also the contradiction of being a liability. dont get me wrong, at this point in time he is pivotal but he is also not the whole team. how anyone can state one man can win us this league is in my honest opinion crazy. how anyone can say yaw or court or any other striker cannot contribute as much is plain daft. soccer is not just one man, its the starting 11 plus subs.
i am all for keeping him as long as we can, but i genuinely feel that we would strill progress without him. its called confidence in the players and coaches, but some of you seem to have confidence only in lv, at the end of the day he is a financial asset to the rovers and that is something we all have to accept. _________________ now enjoying my fishing time, at peace with nature. but being a avid radio ham my global contacts have increased. any hams around call me lz2csk on 14200 or their aboyuts |
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StarksBarmy
Joined: 03 Apr 2010 Posts: 4030
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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Unlike most on here it seems, I don't look solely at the goals we will lose if he goes, more so the service he will provide to others. He is the perfect player to sit slightly deeper and provide that bit of imagination and guile between the midfield and strikers. To have a quality player who can play up top, in the hole behind or even out wide if required is a god send when our squad is 11 or 12 players plus the development squad...
After last season, our board owe us the decision which gives us best chance of getting back where we were and unless the money is pretty crazy, that would be Vaughan staying put, end of. |
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Crazy Englishman
Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 6594 Location: sunny varna on the black sea coast
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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StarksBarmy wrote: | Unlike most on here it seems, I don't look solely at the goals we will lose if he goes, more so the service he will provide to others. He is the perfect player to sit slightly deeper and provide that bit of imagination and guile between the midfield and strikers. To have a quality player who can play up top, in the hole behind or even out wide if required is a god send when our squad is 11 or 12 players plus the development squad...
After last season, our board owe us the decision which gives us best chance of getting back where we were and unless the money is pretty crazy, that would be Vaughan staying put, end of. |
anything less than 6 figures and its a sell out. in my book, with one year to go on his contract, the lad is worth at least 150k minimum. i agree with what yoy say but was it not barr who laid on all three goals last night, which enhances my point. hes a great asset but not irreplaceable. no team can afford to rely on just one player, and thats how it seems on here. to many fans relying on lv. _________________ now enjoying my fishing time, at peace with nature. but being a avid radio ham my global contacts have increased. any hams around call me lz2csk on 14200 or their aboyuts |
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StarksBarmy
Joined: 03 Apr 2010 Posts: 4030
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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Don't think it's a case of relying on Vaughan for promotion, more a case of being seriously handicapped if he is sold.
For me, we are favourites to win the division as it stands. If we lost Vaughan tomorrow, I would be leaning towards Ayr Utd, not because we are a one man team but because like any side in world football, if you lose your best player, you are weakened on the whole. |
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Neil M
Joined: 16 Aug 2008 Posts: 2593 Location: Aberdeen
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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With the size of squad we have. we depend on ALL our best players. Other that that we'd be looking at youth players, emergency loans etc. |
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Crazy Englishman
Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 6594 Location: sunny varna on the black sea coast
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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StarksBarmy wrote: | Don't think it's a case of relying on Vaughan for promotion, more a case of being seriously handicapped if he is sold.
For me, we are favourites to win the division as it stands. If we lost Vaughan tomorrow, I would be leaning towards Ayr Utd, not because we are a one man team but because like any side in world football, if you lose your best player, you are weakened on the whole. |
you may well be correct but that cannot be answered until or if he goes. as i said i want him to stay, but its more than probable he will move on sooner than later which is why i said he is a liability purely because the fans rely on him too much and i can see that rubbing off onto other players.
and neill, yes he is one of our best players, but reading between the lines and with a dundee player training with us, a attacking midfielder suggests to me their may just be a cash plus player deal in the wind. so its important we adapt now and before or if he moves on. _________________ now enjoying my fishing time, at peace with nature. but being a avid radio ham my global contacts have increased. any hams around call me lz2csk on 14200 or their aboyuts |
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CALDERON
Joined: 14 Jul 2008 Posts: 1723 Location: Aberdeenshire
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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A player who has scored in every game bar one this season is many things, a liability is certainly not one of them. |
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