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Raith Roveros v Falkirk Bairns
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What will the result be?
Win
55%
 55%  [ 16 ]
Draw
17%
 17%  [ 5 ]
Defeat
27%
 27%  [ 8 ]
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KDE87



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

embow wrote:
My first impressions are we didn't deserve to win that today but we didn't deserve to lose either. We badly need a predatory striker a la Baird. Luck was against us in a couple of efforts. The Falkirk keeper brought off a couple of top drawer saves but, alas, that's what he's paid for. One cleared off the line out of nowhere. Falkirk were really not that much better but had a firmer grip of the middle of the park in the second half without being overly threatening. Two mistakes lead to two of the three goals. The other was a really good goal if your team scored it but not too good to lose. Winger should have been closed down sooner. We had an almost replica of that in the second half but I can't remember who was on the end of it at the back post but he managed to put it over rather than in. Things certainly have tightened up in mid table since the clocks changed! Crying or Very sad


This sums it up perfectly for me. I didn't think we deserved to lose. Craig should have scored with the effort that was similar to the Falkirk goal (which I don't think we concede is Thomo is playing btw). Daly should also have scored after some wonderful play by Wighton in the box. If he was confident, I think Wighton shoots and scores himself.

Disappointing that we have lost 3 on the bounce and a tough game in a fortnight to get out of this rut. I like McKinnon but it is difficult not to think back to previous seasons given the timing of our first slump with him.

The biggest problem is the lack of goals. We have scored 21 goals in 18 games - just over 1 a game. We have seen goals from all over the team:

Stewart - 4
Bene - 3
Vaughan / Anderson / Craigen - 2
McCord / McKeown / Megginson / Wighton / Davidson / Toshney / Anderson/ Daly - 1

The biggest problem is that our strikers are not scoring goals. This is something that I have tried hard not to criticise. If the goals are coming from all over the team and we are winning games then I don't really care if our strikers are scoring. Being a striker is about more than scoring goals. However if we are struggling for goals (we have now only scored 8 goals in our last 11 games) then you have to look towards the strikers to score.

Daly hasn't really worked out. I thought it was a decent signing when he came in, but now I sort of which he wasn't here. Hopefully when he leaves it will free up some money to bring someone else in, but finding a striker who can score goals will not be an easy task. Hopefully Ray can pull a rabbit our of the hat!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Watching the two Falkirk goals there is no doubt Davidson is to blame for both of them. Assists also go to Toshney for their first goal and then Robertson and Cuthbert for the second. Both of them could've prevented the goal as well.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WillieKirk wrote:
Watched on RRA - our goal was from a slip as was their winner - apart from that both teams were pretty equal. We had great chances that they defended like their lives depended on it. That to me was the difference apart form us missing a couple of clear chances that pros should just not miss and a clear penalty shout - but we should be scoring - should we not? Anyway - agree that we need a strike force at this level and Daly and Stewart are not it. Still I thought it was decent game.


The Falkirk winner was from no slip. Davo had plenty opportunity to turn towards the line and either play it away or take it on himself. He knew exactly where Baird was. Wrong decision and schoolboy error. As I stated at the start of the,season our problem will be scoring goals , and alas again like other seasons it's no different. Do we really expect to get two even three decent forwards in in January. I'm not convinced....
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AuthorUnknown wrote:
Neil M wrote:
That's Ray's post-match interview just up now - read into it what you will! Confused


I stopped listening after the first 30-40 seconds of drivel.

We have a forward line that cannot score and a defence that is leaking at least one bad goal per game.
We are in for the usual long winter it seems. Just like last season we cannot take anything from the teams above us and are starting to drop points from the teams below us. We now seem to be in a mini league with Morton and Queen of the South for places 4-6. Naturally we will finish 6th.


I stopped reading after the first line..........

3 losses in a row isnt good but we are still 4th which realistically is the highest position we were going to be in looking at the teams in the league at the start of the season. Rangers and Hibs were always going to be 1 and 2 but Falkirk have replaced St Mirren as number 3. Up to the players and McKinnon to improve before we slide down a place or two.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If people are starting to seriously compare yestrdat to Murrays regime in Ny way...

We had better chances, had more of the ball and weren't played off the park at all. We kept going to end and had some great chances.

Wasn't our day. We've lost a few games. Unfortunately the usual lot seem utterly delighted at this so they can trot out the same nonsense

This team deserve our support. It's still early doors. There are good signs at the club, that hasn't just been washed away after a few defeats.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CALDERON wrote:
If people are starting to seriously compare yestrdat to Murrays regime in Ny way...

We had better chances, had more of the ball and weren't played off the park at all. We kept going to end and had some great chances.

Wasn't our day. We've lost a few games. Unfortunately the usual lot seem utterly delighted at this so they can trot out the same nonsense

This team deserve our support. It's still early doors. There are good signs at the club, that hasn't just been washed away after a few defeats.


Totally agree. Good post. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zicoromaines wrote:
Both their goals came from our right back side of the pitch both were stoppable. We need a direct forward someone that will attack their defence run at them and force them into errors or at least fouls. There goalkeeper was flapping several times why did we not put Daly on him more often if not him then one of the other taller players in our team. Three points thrown away not enough bottle or fight shown on the pitch.


Agree 100%. We ran the clock down as if we were winning 2-1.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We were good going forward but big toshney is never a right back so mckinnons selections has to be looked at.He is human though so hopefully when we play next we get the selections sorted out.Too lopsided as some players are playing out of position so it should have been....
cuthbert
ford
toshney
benedictus
mckeown
anderson
davo
robertson
petrie
craigen or stewart
megginson

JUST MY OPINION THOUGH
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That team would win any game I reckon especially with it having 12 players. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CRAIGEN OR STEWART daftworks depending on what system we go with lol Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I may be one of the few who actually believe we played okay.

I cant really remember Falkirk creating any clear cut chances (other than the two they scored, one of which was gift wrapped by Davo). They had a lot of possession but didn't really do anything. We had the better chances and on another day we could have hit them for 4 or 5.

What I will criticize is the lack of natural goalscorer at the club. Mark Stewart had one of his poorest games in a rovers shirt on Saturday, he needs to work on his positioning, so he can be in the right place to get these chances we seem to create and stop getting caught offside. The one good thing he brings is he does a lot of running and is always looking for the ball. Craig Wighton shows glimpses of being a really good player, but lacks confidence. We need him to start turning up more on a Saturday and being counted for, otherwise were basically playing with a man down. Jon Daly is obviously coming to the end of his career but he isn't as bad as everyone makes out. He gets a lot of stick, but when balls are lumped up to you all the time there isn't much you can do about it. Plus I feel the referees give him no support at all.
What worries me is out of all our strikers, I don't see a natural goal scorer. We are having to create about 5 or 6 chances just to maybe take one. I hope Ray will rectify this in January.

I do feel we deserved something out of the game, as we did against Hibs too. We were not played off the park, did not look out of the game at any time nor did we give up.

As for the whole "Ray Mckinnon out" rubbish, that needs to stop now. Its just silly. Ray has got a good bunch of players assembled, and hasn't really had any time in the job. Plus he is working with a fair amount of players who were here under Murray that were signed before he even took charge. I think Ray is doing a far better job than GM was. RM actually looks to try and make positive subs, change up the formation, change personnel if they aren't performing. Yes he may have gotten it wrong on Saturday, but were all allowed off days now and then. 3 losses in a row is hard to take, but its been from 2 of the top 3 teams in this league and an in form Livingston side.

The team needs us to support them rather than turn on them. We have a 2 week break, which has come at the best possible time for us. Gives Ray time to regroup, sort out any niggling injuries we have in the squad and focus on Dumbarton away. Realistically the target for this season was the playoffs, which we are in just now.

Obviously this is only my opinion, make of it what you will
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent post and no I do not think that you are one of the few you are in the majority from people that I speak to.

Even in the defeats against Hibs and Falkirk I actually enjoyed the games because we were always in the match right up to the final whistle and tried to take something from the games. I really don't want to drag up the previous regime but as others have suggested that we are currently no better or further forward I personally beg to differ.

The Livi match was a write off but other than that our games and results have pretty much gone as the League Table at present suggests.

Challenging for 4th in my opinion is what our League campaign as all about and thats what we are doing.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Couldn't have put it any better batross07.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone actually said "Ray McKinnon out"?

It may just be that some fans find it difficult to distinguish between mild comments on the team/managers performance and really harsh criticism like demanding the managers head.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are we not something like 6 points better off this season than we were at this point last season? Whilst I appreciate the main stat from the last 3 games is 0 points we've still had a few decent chances to take something from those games. Not the end of the world at the moment. Hopefully the players confidence doesn't take a dip so we need to get back to winning ways sharpish. QOS and Morton are catching up with us but there's a fairly sizeable gap between us and the rest of the teams below us. The main 'wtf' result was Livi. No shame in losing to Hibs and Falkirk both of which are doing well and yet we were still a wee bit unlucky not take something from those games. We've got a few winnable games (imo) coming up so lets see how we get on after that.
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