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is johnathon an alias for grant murray.
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Give in mate, you are not allowed a different opinion on here about Murray or the team. If you are enjoying supporting the team, good for you...posting anything positive on here is a waste of energy..... It used to be a good forum for positive debate and fair discussion. |
That's a bit rich.Go back to the negative posts and especially those that were calling for GM head ages ago and read the responses from those that didn,t agree.Works both ways.
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| so Jonathon has a different opinion to the majority but makes some excellent points. Fans on here are very fickle and seem to find it difficult to praise even when we win (which is rare recently). I agree some performances are way below par but then so were performances from previous sides under different managers. I am not so sure losing Murray is correct but having someone who can give him guidance and experience may help. There is a lot of experienced players in our side yet many havent stepped up to the mark. Is that the managers fault? Surely they have to accept some responsibility also. Many of us remember playing in the Premier League and winning the League cup but thats 20 years ago. We were never going to maintain those levels even more so with the financial mismanagement we suffered for years. One thing is for sure that being a Rovers fan whether we win, lose or draw we will still find something to moan about. |
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| R12ATH wrote: | | Jonathan wrote: | | Scary Bear wrote: | | Jonathan wrote: | | Northern_Rover wrote: | | Jonathan wrote: |
You're not causing a stir.
I am totally calm with Murray in charge and enjoy all our wins. It makes no difference who the manager is, the fans turn on him regardless. McGlynn had to go. Dalziel had to go, Anelka had to go, Calderon had to go, Murray has to go. I can remember the fanzine at the time arguing that Nicholl (part 1) had to go, when he left us. Raith have never been a strongly supported team, when you compare them to a Falkirk or Dunfermline, so it's not Murray's fault that crowds are poor. We could barely get a crowd at home in the McGlynn promotion season...
Murray has done no worse than Calderon and McGlynn and he's a breath of fresh air compared to Dalziel and Anelka.
As far as I am concerned, Murray's job is to keep us in the Championship, which he did last year and is doing just now. He also brought me my first ever win v Rangers (fan for 31 years) and only our second piece of cup silverware.
Some of the defeats have been crushing, but against Hibs, Hearts and Rangers, I'm not sure I expected anything other than this.
I reckon players can accept criticism when they come off the park after a poor game and defeat, but to come onto Fantalk and read the complaints after a win (eg Stirling in the Scottish Cup) must be soul destroying. We don't have to win, we have to win at a canter? It's mental.
I am looking forward to the Hibs game on Saturday because we're playing one of the biggest teams in Scotland at home and I love being at Stark's Park with a decent away crowd and atmosphere. I also thought we played very well at Easter Road, so I know that if we play our A game, we can win this match.
If we lose, the majority of fans on here will go nuts, but if we win will the same people give credit when it is due? Not so sure. |
With Cowden, Alloa, Dumbarton and the state Livi are in that in itself is setting the bar a tad low. If sitting where we are in the league behind Dumbarton is acceptable to you then I doff my cap sir and power to your loyalty. Personally I think its evidence of an underperforming board / manager / coach and playing staff.
I would not have expected to be done over by Rangers (twice) and Hearts at home the way we have been. The 5-1 gubbing by Livvi was an embarassment to all concerned. All of these results can be traced back to the manager is some shape of form.
However I fully expect the board to be of the same opinion as yourself - the football and the fans are actually an irrelevance to this season as is evident every Saturday. |
I'm a fan and I don't feel irrelevant. I also don't understand this fixation with how good the football is? There has been good football this season, but the haters refuse to see it. There has also been some of the more embarrassing defeats this season in my time as a Raith fan. I suppose, I don't see how it can get any better really? Who do we get in instead of Murray, that's REALLY going to improve things?
We're a club in financial difficulties, who are managing to pay off debt and not 'cheat' like some teams do. These teams end up winning leagues, playing exciting football, but it always catches up on you.
At the beginning of the season, I thought I would be happy with 5-8 in the league. To me 9-10 would be unacceptable, with 1-4 a bonus.
Remember, when we were in the top 4, people were still moaning.
The team are on a downward spiral now, that they will struggle to get out of, but the fans don't want us to improve. They're not happy when we win and this must rub off on the players. Lose and get pelters, win and still get pelters.
The problem for many 35+ year old fans is that we've seen the best Raith can ever get. Nothing will ever be as good again, so it can be hard to watch at times. Take away these 4-5 freak seasons and you have a middle of the road Championship team, which is what we are now and is our correct level in Scottish football.
Hate the losses, but enjoy the wins too. |
I really doubt there are fans that don't want us to improve. We've had 8 goes at winning a home game. We've managed it twice; once against Dumbarton on the opening day of the season and once against Cowdenbeath on 15th November. I didn't attend the Cowden game, but I was keeping tabs on the smart phone. When you see the opposition score first, again, then your heart sinks. Thankfully we managed to get the 3 points though.
I can't speak for other fans, but generally I am just pretty scunnered with the Rovers. |
I know there are a lot of scunnered Raith fans just now. I'm not happy with what's going on, but I am trying to be realistic. I don't think we have much money and I am desperate that we have a debt-free club.
The only way Raith are going to pick up a decent manager these days is by picking up an ex-player. The gamble worked with Jimmy Nic, but didn't with Dalziel. It's not been fireworks with Murray, but I just don't see it as being that bad. Not yet anyway.
If we sack Murray we are throwing away money and I would only want to do that when we are sat in 9th place. The alarm bells are not ringing in my ears yet.
What I do believe is that there is not currently anyone to replace Murray that would see us producing this amazing football each week.
The Cowdenbeath game is a good example. We came out with our 4-5-1 formation and it was a poor first half. We are allowed to go down 0-1 to any team in this division though. Second half, we bring a forward on, play the more attacking 4-4-1-1 (or whatever you want to call it) and we were all over Cowdenbeath. I felt it was a great second half performance, very enjoyable. Come onto Fantalk and you wouldn't have known we'd won. |
Give in mate, you are not allowed a different opinion on here about Murray or the team. If you are enjoying supporting the team, good for you...posting anything positive on here is a waste of energy..... It used to be a good forum for positive debate and fair discussion. |
You clearly are allowed a different opinion. It still is a good forum for debate and fair discussion. If you can't handle some negative comments, then I'm surprised you've lasted so long on here. Do you expect everyone to agree all the time? When were these halcyon days of Fantalk?
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| wellyboot wrote: | | so Jonathon has a different opinion to the majority but makes some excellent points. Fans on here are very fickle and seem to find it difficult to praise even when we win (which is rare recently). I agree some performances are way below par but then so were performances from previous sides under different managers. I am not so sure losing Murray is correct but having someone who can give him guidance and experience may help. There is a lot of experienced players in our side yet many havent stepped up to the mark. Is that the managers fault? Surely they have to accept some responsibility also. Many of us remember playing in the Premier League and winning the League cup but thats 20 years ago. We were never going to maintain those levels even more so with the financial mismanagement we suffered for years. One thing is for sure that being a Rovers fan whether we win, lose or draw we will still find something to moan about. |
Yes, it is the manager's fault. That's why managers get sacked so often, while players generally don't. The buck stops with the manager. His job is to get the players performing as a team instead of a bunch of individuals. He should also build a rapport with the fans.
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| wellyboot wrote: | | so Jonathon has a different opinion to the majority but makes some excellent points. Fans on here are very fickle and seem to find it difficult to praise even when we win (which is rare recently). I agree some performances are way below par but then so were performances from previous sides under different managers. I am not so sure losing Murray is correct but having someone who can give him guidance and experience may help. There is a lot of experienced players in our side yet many havent stepped up to the mark. Is that the managers fault? Surely they have to accept some responsibility also. Many of us remember playing in the Premier League and winning the League cup but thats 20 years ago. We were never going to maintain those levels even more so with the financial mismanagement we suffered for years. One thing is for sure that being a Rovers fan whether we win, lose or draw we will still find something to moan about. |
Fans of every team are fickle,Christ Dunfermline fans have been calling for Jeffries head for weeks and they,re second or third in the league.
Why fork out on another wage bringing in someone with experience to give GM guidance.?
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| Scary Bear wrote: | | Jonathan wrote: | | Scary Bear wrote: | | Jonathan wrote: | | Craig_1986 wrote: | | Jonathan wrote: | | After the last game v Hibs @ Easter Road, I am looking forward to Saturday's match. |
Not to cause a stir but can I ask why? I can't see how the performance from a game over 3 months ago will filter into this Saturday's match. It's almost like saying 'our games against Dumbarton are usually high scoring therefore future matches against them will follow that trend'.
I'll still be going to this game. Even as poor as we are it beats getting dragged round the shops at this time of year. If we get a point I'll be very surprised. |
You're not causing a stir.
I am totally calm with Murray in charge and enjoy all our wins. It makes no difference who the manager is, the fans turn on him regardless. McGlynn had to go. Dalziel had to go, Anelka had to go, Calderon had to go, Murray has to go. I can remember the fanzine at the time arguing that Nicholl (part 1) had to go, when he left us. Raith have never been a strongly supported team, when you compare them to a Falkirk or Dunfermline, so it's not Murray's fault that crowds are poor. We could barely get a crowd at home in the McGlynn promotion season...
Murray has done no worse than Calderon and McGlynn and he's a breath of fresh air compared to Dalziel and Anelka.
As far as I am concerned, Murray's job is to keep us in the Championship, which he did last year and is doing just now. He also brought me my first ever win v Rangers (fan for 31 years) and only our second piece of cup silverware.
Some of the defeats have been crushing, but against Hibs, Hearts and Rangers, I'm not sure I expected anything other than this.
I reckon players can accept criticism when they come off the park after a poor game and defeat, but to come onto Fantalk and read the complaints after a win (eg Stirling in the Scottish Cup) must be soul destroying. We don't have to win, we have to win at a canter? It's mental.
I am looking forward to the Hibs game on Saturday because we're playing one of the biggest teams in Scotland at home and I love being at Stark's Park with a decent away crowd and atmosphere. I also thought we played very well at Easter Road, so I know that if we play our A game, we can win this match.
If we lose, the majority of fans on here will go nuts, but if we win will the same people give credit when it is due? Not so sure. |
Whit? No worse than McGlynn? I must have missed the challenge for the title under Murray.
McGlynn won the Second Division, got us to a Scottish Cup Semi-final and had us challenging for the First Division title. When was the last time the Rovers made it to a Scottish Cup Semi-final? When was the last time we challenged for a place in the top division?
Murray hasn't done as badly as some would make out, but to say he's done no worse than McGlynn is disingenuous. Even in McGlynn's last season, which was a relegation battle, it turned into an enjoyable relegation battle.
This year we are currently 7th and 7 points clear of Cowdenbeath in 9th. After the Hibs game we have a run of games in January where we should be picking up points. Hopefully we don't go on the same sort of run as we did after last Christmas.
As for the fans always turning on the manager, yes that happens, but the key fact is how many fans turn on him. If it's the odd crank who is never happy then who cares. If it's the majority of the support, then it's possibly time for change. |
I don't think Murray has been any worse.
McGlynn took three seasons to get us out of the third tier. He had the luxury of our patience and being able to taking a settled team with a winning mentality up to the second tier. The Raith fans disliked the brand of football on display and I remember clearly our promotion run, with it's low crowds and constant comments of how un-enjoyable the football was. That's McGlynn's trademark.
The season we made the SC semi-final was superb and I will always appreciate being able to see my team play at Hampden.
McGlynn left us in 7th position in 2011-12
Murray had us in 6th position in 2012-13
Murray had us in 7th position in 2013-14
Murray has us in 7th position this season.
Add to that the Challenge Cup win over Rangers, I don't think there's a lot of difference?
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The crowds during our title challenge season 2010-11, especially the home element of those crowds, was still around or over 2,000 on several occasions. While not great, that is better than the 1200-1500 we're getting now. The football wasn't great either but McGlynn's memorable moments and games trip off the tongue - Dunfermline away 2-1 Casa and Murray scoring, 2-2 at EEP, title decider; Dunfermline at New Year 2-1; Aberdeen games in the Cup; Dundee away in the Cup.
Comparing league positions, there isn't a noticeable difference in the main; 2010-11 season apart. The main difference is that under Murray everything just seems a bit meh. A bit aimless. A bit rudderless and lacking direction. In a colour, it's brown. I have no faith in the current team or manager. There's no spark and Murray just doesn't have the presence that McGlynn had. His 3 seasons in charge are marked by good starts that tail off around November/December, then kick back into life about March with a couple of wins that see us safe.
I don't get the question - when did we go part-time? - have I made a typo? |
No typo SB, it was a genuine question to anyone in the know. I am trying to work out if that could also be a factor.
You're totally right, it is a bit meh just now. I went through a spell in the late-ish 90s when I hardly went to games. I buy a season ticket nowadays to help give the club money, but I only go to 50% of the games, home and away.
Not sure it's down to Murray's team though. It's a factor of me feeling the cold more, a few terrible managers and lack of terracing. I seem to remember having a lot more fun at games when we stood behind the goals. |
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| R12ATH wrote: | | Jonathan wrote: | | Scary Bear wrote: | | Jonathan wrote: | | Northern_Rover wrote: | | Jonathan wrote: |
You're not causing a stir.
I am totally calm with Murray in charge and enjoy all our wins. It makes no difference who the manager is, the fans turn on him regardless. McGlynn had to go. Dalziel had to go, Anelka had to go, Calderon had to go, Murray has to go. I can remember the fanzine at the time arguing that Nicholl (part 1) had to go, when he left us. Raith have never been a strongly supported team, when you compare them to a Falkirk or Dunfermline, so it's not Murray's fault that crowds are poor. We could barely get a crowd at home in the McGlynn promotion season...
Murray has done no worse than Calderon and McGlynn and he's a breath of fresh air compared to Dalziel and Anelka.
As far as I am concerned, Murray's job is to keep us in the Championship, which he did last year and is doing just now. He also brought me my first ever win v Rangers (fan for 31 years) and only our second piece of cup silverware.
Some of the defeats have been crushing, but against Hibs, Hearts and Rangers, I'm not sure I expected anything other than this.
I reckon players can accept criticism when they come off the park after a poor game and defeat, but to come onto Fantalk and read the complaints after a win (eg Stirling in the Scottish Cup) must be soul destroying. We don't have to win, we have to win at a canter? It's mental.
I am looking forward to the Hibs game on Saturday because we're playing one of the biggest teams in Scotland at home and I love being at Stark's Park with a decent away crowd and atmosphere. I also thought we played very well at Easter Road, so I know that if we play our A game, we can win this match.
If we lose, the majority of fans on here will go nuts, but if we win will the same people give credit when it is due? Not so sure. |
With Cowden, Alloa, Dumbarton and the state Livi are in that in itself is setting the bar a tad low. If sitting where we are in the league behind Dumbarton is acceptable to you then I doff my cap sir and power to your loyalty. Personally I think its evidence of an underperforming board / manager / coach and playing staff.
I would not have expected to be done over by Rangers (twice) and Hearts at home the way we have been. The 5-1 gubbing by Livvi was an embarassment to all concerned. All of these results can be traced back to the manager is some shape of form.
However I fully expect the board to be of the same opinion as yourself - the football and the fans are actually an irrelevance to this season as is evident every Saturday. |
I'm a fan and I don't feel irrelevant. I also don't understand this fixation with how good the football is? There has been good football this season, but the haters refuse to see it. There has also been some of the more embarrassing defeats this season in my time as a Raith fan. I suppose, I don't see how it can get any better really? Who do we get in instead of Murray, that's REALLY going to improve things?
We're a club in financial difficulties, who are managing to pay off debt and not 'cheat' like some teams do. These teams end up winning leagues, playing exciting football, but it always catches up on you.
At the beginning of the season, I thought I would be happy with 5-8 in the league. To me 9-10 would be unacceptable, with 1-4 a bonus.
Remember, when we were in the top 4, people were still moaning.
The team are on a downward spiral now, that they will struggle to get out of, but the fans don't want us to improve. They're not happy when we win and this must rub off on the players. Lose and get pelters, win and still get pelters.
The problem for many 35+ year old fans is that we've seen the best Raith can ever get. Nothing will ever be as good again, so it can be hard to watch at times. Take away these 4-5 freak seasons and you have a middle of the road Championship team, which is what we are now and is our correct level in Scottish football.
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I really doubt there are fans that don't want us to improve. We've had 8 goes at winning a home game. We've managed it twice; once against Dumbarton on the opening day of the season and once against Cowdenbeath on 15th November. I didn't attend the Cowden game, but I was keeping tabs on the smart phone. When you see the opposition score first, again, then your heart sinks. Thankfully we managed to get the 3 points though.
I can't speak for other fans, but generally I am just pretty scunnered with the Rovers. |
I know there are a lot of scunnered Raith fans just now. I'm not happy with what's going on, but I am trying to be realistic. I don't think we have much money and I am desperate that we have a debt-free club.
The only way Raith are going to pick up a decent manager these days is by picking up an ex-player. The gamble worked with Jimmy Nic, but didn't with Dalziel. It's not been fireworks with Murray, but I just don't see it as being that bad. Not yet anyway.
If we sack Murray we are throwing away money and I would only want to do that when we are sat in 9th place. The alarm bells are not ringing in my ears yet.
What I do believe is that there is not currently anyone to replace Murray that would see us producing this amazing football each week.
The Cowdenbeath game is a good example. We came out with our 4-5-1 formation and it was a poor first half. We are allowed to go down 0-1 to any team in this division though. Second half, we bring a forward on, play the more attacking 4-4-1-1 (or whatever you want to call it) and we were all over Cowdenbeath. I felt it was a great second half performance, very enjoyable. Come onto Fantalk and you wouldn't have known we'd won. |
Give in mate, you are not allowed a different opinion on here about Murray or the team. If you are enjoying supporting the team, good for you...posting anything positive on here is a waste of energy..... It used to be a good forum for positive debate and fair discussion. |
The debate in this thread has been pretty decent!
I am enjoying the wins. I thought the Dumbarton 3-1 game was good, the Cowdenbeath 3-1 was good too. Hibs away 1-1 - totally could have won that. Stirling 2-0 away (I know that many will disagree with this one) The second half of the 2-1 win at home to Cowden as well.
Some of the defeats have been brutal though. There's no denying that. |
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| lbarnett-bl wrote: | | Are folk going to be doing this then or what? |
There's at least 19 of you. |
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All those protesting on saturday better watch in case nade piles into the stand looking for trouble or in last weeks case to explain he is trying then hug you.
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Looked on the vid that it was the fans that were hugging Nade after shiting themselves when Nade had audacity to confront them
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| Jonathan wrote: | | R12ATH wrote: | | Jonathan wrote: | | Scary Bear wrote: | | Jonathan wrote: | | Northern_Rover wrote: | | Jonathan wrote: |
You're not causing a stir.
I am totally calm with Murray in charge and enjoy all our wins. It makes no difference who the manager is, the fans turn on him regardless. McGlynn had to go. Dalziel had to go, Anelka had to go, Calderon had to go, Murray has to go. I can remember the fanzine at the time arguing that Nicholl (part 1) had to go, when he left us. Raith have never been a strongly supported team, when you compare them to a Falkirk or Dunfermline, so it's not Murray's fault that crowds are poor. We could barely get a crowd at home in the McGlynn promotion season...
Murray has done no worse than Calderon and McGlynn and he's a breath of fresh air compared to Dalziel and Anelka.
As far as I am concerned, Murray's job is to keep us in the Championship, which he did last year and is doing just now. He also brought me my first ever win v Rangers (fan for 31 years) and only our second piece of cup silverware.
Some of the defeats have been crushing, but against Hibs, Hearts and Rangers, I'm not sure I expected anything other than this.
I reckon players can accept criticism when they come off the park after a poor game and defeat, but to come onto Fantalk and read the complaints after a win (eg Stirling in the Scottish Cup) must be soul destroying. We don't have to win, we have to win at a canter? It's mental.
I am looking forward to the Hibs game on Saturday because we're playing one of the biggest teams in Scotland at home and I love being at Stark's Park with a decent away crowd and atmosphere. I also thought we played very well at Easter Road, so I know that if we play our A game, we can win this match.
If we lose, the majority of fans on here will go nuts, but if we win will the same people give credit when it is due? Not so sure. |
With Cowden, Alloa, Dumbarton and the state Livi are in that in itself is setting the bar a tad low. If sitting where we are in the league behind Dumbarton is acceptable to you then I doff my cap sir and power to your loyalty. Personally I think its evidence of an underperforming board / manager / coach and playing staff.
I would not have expected to be done over by Rangers (twice) and Hearts at home the way we have been. The 5-1 gubbing by Livvi was an embarassment to all concerned. All of these results can be traced back to the manager is some shape of form.
However I fully expect the board to be of the same opinion as yourself - the football and the fans are actually an irrelevance to this season as is evident every Saturday. |
I'm a fan and I don't feel irrelevant. I also don't understand this fixation with how good the football is? There has been good football this season, but the haters refuse to see it. There has also been some of the more embarrassing defeats this season in my time as a Raith fan. I suppose, I don't see how it can get any better really? Who do we get in instead of Murray, that's REALLY going to improve things?
We're a club in financial difficulties, who are managing to pay off debt and not 'cheat' like some teams do. These teams end up winning leagues, playing exciting football, but it always catches up on you.
At the beginning of the season, I thought I would be happy with 5-8 in the league. To me 9-10 would be unacceptable, with 1-4 a bonus.
Remember, when we were in the top 4, people were still moaning.
The team are on a downward spiral now, that they will struggle to get out of, but the fans don't want us to improve. They're not happy when we win and this must rub off on the players. Lose and get pelters, win and still get pelters.
The problem for many 35+ year old fans is that we've seen the best Raith can ever get. Nothing will ever be as good again, so it can be hard to watch at times. Take away these 4-5 freak seasons and you have a middle of the road Championship team, which is what we are now and is our correct level in Scottish football.
Hate the losses, but enjoy the wins too. |
I really doubt there are fans that don't want us to improve. We've had 8 goes at winning a home game. We've managed it twice; once against Dumbarton on the opening day of the season and once against Cowdenbeath on 15th November. I didn't attend the Cowden game, but I was keeping tabs on the smart phone. When you see the opposition score first, again, then your heart sinks. Thankfully we managed to get the 3 points though.
I can't speak for other fans, but generally I am just pretty scunnered with the Rovers. |
I know there are a lot of scunnered Raith fans just now. I'm not happy with what's going on, but I am trying to be realistic. I don't think we have much money and I am desperate that we have a debt-free club.
The only way Raith are going to pick up a decent manager these days is by picking up an ex-player. The gamble worked with Jimmy Nic, but didn't with Dalziel. It's not been fireworks with Murray, but I just don't see it as being that bad. Not yet anyway.
If we sack Murray we are throwing away money and I would only want to do that when we are sat in 9th place. The alarm bells are not ringing in my ears yet.
What I do believe is that there is not currently anyone to replace Murray that would see us producing this amazing football each week.
The Cowdenbeath game is a good example. We came out with our 4-5-1 formation and it was a poor first half. We are allowed to go down 0-1 to any team in this division though. Second half, we bring a forward on, play the more attacking 4-4-1-1 (or whatever you want to call it) and we were all over Cowdenbeath. I felt it was a great second half performance, very enjoyable. Come onto Fantalk and you wouldn't have known we'd won. |
Give in mate, you are not allowed a different opinion on here about Murray or the team. If you are enjoying supporting the team, good for you...posting anything positive on here is a waste of energy..... It used to be a good forum for positive debate and fair discussion. |
The debate in this thread has been pretty decent!
I am enjoying the wins. I thought the Dumbarton 3-1 game was good, the Cowdenbeath 3-1 was good too. Hibs away 1-1 - totally could have won that. Stirling 2-0 away (I know that many will disagree with this one) The second half of the 2-1 win at home to Cowden as well.
Some of the defeats have been brutal though. There's no denying that. |
Why do posters have to quote quotes then quote quoted quotes again and again and again. It's repetitive I say repetitive.
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StarksBarmy
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You're not causing a stir.
I am totally calm with Murray in charge and enjoy all our wins. It makes no difference who the manager is, the fans turn on him regardless. McGlynn had to go. Dalziel had to go, Anelka had to go, Calderon had to go, Murray has to go. I can remember the fanzine at the time arguing that Nicholl (part 1) had to go, when he left us. Raith have never been a strongly supported team, when you compare them to a Falkirk or Dunfermline, so it's not Murray's fault that crowds are poor. We could barely get a crowd at home in the McGlynn promotion season...
Murray has done no worse than Calderon and McGlynn and he's a breath of fresh air compared to Dalziel and Anelka.
As far as I am concerned, Murray's job is to keep us in the Championship, which he did last year and is doing just now. He also brought me my first ever win v Rangers (fan for 31 years) and only our second piece of cup silverware.
Some of the defeats have been crushing, but against Hibs, Hearts and Rangers, I'm not sure I expected anything other than this.
I reckon players can accept criticism when they come off the park after a poor game and defeat, but to come onto Fantalk and read the complaints after a win (eg Stirling in the Scottish Cup) must be soul destroying. We don't have to win, we have to win at a canter? It's mental.
I am looking forward to the Hibs game on Saturday because we're playing one of the biggest teams in Scotland at home and I love being at Stark's Park with a decent away crowd and atmosphere. I also thought we played very well at Easter Road, so I know that if we play our A game, we can win this match.
If we lose, the majority of fans on here will go nuts, but if we win will the same people give credit when it is due? Not so sure. |
With Cowden, Alloa, Dumbarton and the state Livi are in that in itself is setting the bar a tad low. If sitting where we are in the league behind Dumbarton is acceptable to you then I doff my cap sir and power to your loyalty. Personally I think its evidence of an underperforming board / manager / coach and playing staff.
I would not have expected to be done over by Rangers (twice) and Hearts at home the way we have been. The 5-1 gubbing by Livvi was an embarassment to all concerned. All of these results can be traced back to the manager is some shape of form.
However I fully expect the board to be of the same opinion as yourself - the football and the fans are actually an irrelevance to this season as is evident every Saturday. |
I'm a fan and I don't feel irrelevant. I also don't understand this fixation with how good the football is? There has been good football this season, but the haters refuse to see it. There has also been some of the more embarrassing defeats this season in my time as a Raith fan. I suppose, I don't see how it can get any better really? Who do we get in instead of Murray, that's REALLY going to improve things?
We're a club in financial difficulties, who are managing to pay off debt and not 'cheat' like some teams do. These teams end up winning leagues, playing exciting football, but it always catches up on you.
At the beginning of the season, I thought I would be happy with 5-8 in the league. To me 9-10 would be unacceptable, with 1-4 a bonus.
Remember, when we were in the top 4, people were still moaning.
The team are on a downward spiral now, that they will struggle to get out of, but the fans don't want us to improve. They're not happy when we win and this must rub off on the players. Lose and get pelters, win and still get pelters.
The problem for many 35+ year old fans is that we've seen the best Raith can ever get. Nothing will ever be as good again, so it can be hard to watch at times. Take away these 4-5 freak seasons and you have a middle of the road Championship team, which is what we are now and is our correct level in Scottish football.
Hate the losses, but enjoy the wins too. |
I really doubt there are fans that don't want us to improve. We've had 8 goes at winning a home game. We've managed it twice; once against Dumbarton on the opening day of the season and once against Cowdenbeath on 15th November. I didn't attend the Cowden game, but I was keeping tabs on the smart phone. When you see the opposition score first, again, then your heart sinks. Thankfully we managed to get the 3 points though.
I can't speak for other fans, but generally I am just pretty scunnered with the Rovers. |
I know there are a lot of scunnered Raith fans just now. I'm not happy with what's going on, but I am trying to be realistic. I don't think we have much money and I am desperate that we have a debt-free club.
The only way Raith are going to pick up a decent manager these days is by picking up an ex-player. The gamble worked with Jimmy Nic, but didn't with Dalziel. It's not been fireworks with Murray, but I just don't see it as being that bad. Not yet anyway.
If we sack Murray we are throwing away money and I would only want to do that when we are sat in 9th place. The alarm bells are not ringing in my ears yet.
What I do believe is that there is not currently anyone to replace Murray that would see us producing this amazing football each week.
The Cowdenbeath game is a good example. We came out with our 4-5-1 formation and it was a poor first half. We are allowed to go down 0-1 to any team in this division though. Second half, we bring a forward on, play the more attacking 4-4-1-1 (or whatever you want to call it) and we were all over Cowdenbeath. I felt it was a great second half performance, very enjoyable. Come onto Fantalk and you wouldn't have known we'd won. |
Give in mate, you are not allowed a different opinion on here about Murray or the team. If you are enjoying supporting the team, good for you...posting anything positive on here is a waste of energy..... It used to be a good forum for positive debate and fair discussion. |
The debate in this thread has been pretty decent!
I am enjoying the wins. I thought the Dumbarton 3-1 game was good, the Cowdenbeath 3-1 was good too. Hibs away 1-1 - totally could have won that. Stirling 2-0 away (I know that many will disagree with this one) The second half of the 2-1 win at home to Cowden as well.
Some of the defeats have been brutal though. There's no denying that. |
Why do posters have to quote quotes then quote quoted quotes again and again and again. It's repetitive I say repetitive. |
I agree
Takes up loads of room too, surely quoting the persons username who's post you are referring to is adequate?
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| The vote of confidence in Murray could see even less fans at this match, to be honest it's made me even more determined to get the point across to the board! |
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