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moodyblue
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| Wolfman Jack wrote: | | Tam wrote: | Some one mentioned why all the supporters groups and they should be one?
Nah, no chance all the groups do great work fundraising and of course enjoying themselves, long may they continue and thanks goodness they all exist.
A plan: we design and build the place ourselves somewhere in the ground. There are enough fans with a host of expertise and skills that surely we could build the purpose built bar/meeting place etc.?
The fans groups could contribute towards the materials and other costs involved. The club might suffer meanwhile but as they really couldn't give a sod about the 200 club members and fans who use the place, then so be it. The funds will flow eventually into the RRFC kitty. |
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That would look great down at the prom car park, It's just like looking ower teh Forth! lol. |
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embow
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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Castle, the 200 club was set up in the late sixties, basically as a social club and meeting place within RRFC, basically it was run along the same lines as other clubs of the time, . |
The original club was formed in either late 1964 or in 1965 and was known as The Golden Goal named after Gillie's headed winner and the game's only goal versus England at Hampden in April 1964. ("I know for I was there!" - Max Boyce circa late 1960's) Some of the older folks will remember the large photo that used to sit behind the bar which was at the opposite end to where the bar is now.
The idea of a social club was the brainchild of Bert Herdman who when sacked as manager in 1963 took on the role of running the Development Fund. It was the second football social club in Scotland , the first being at Clydebank or rather ES Cydebank as they were for season 64-65.(see below) The club's Directors (one of whom was my dad) visited them to get a handle on how things were run, over and above being there when the Rovers played ES Clydebank at Kilbowie, and took the decision to go ahead and open up the big empty space that lay below the Main Stand particularly the B Stand as it was known. The bit below the A Stand was used for toilets and a drinks store.
The 200 club was extremely successful in the early years attracting people from throughout Fife especially for Bingo nights and the weekly social dance on a Saturday night. When it actually became the 200 club I'm not too sure but I've a feeling it wasn't too long after its foundation as the number of members had to be limited, so popular the place was for a night out at the time. Its popularity lasted to the end of the 60's but by then folks tastes were changing and other attractions started too take folk elsewhere. Also foreign holidays were becoming popular and people stated to save for these rather than go out every week or every other week.
ES Clydebank for those who aren't old enough to know or perhaps too old to remember 
East Stirlingshire Clydebank F.C. (1964–65)
Main article: East Stirlingshire F.C.
In 1964 the Steedman brothers, owners of East Stirlingshire, controversially merged their club with Clydebank Juniors. The new club (whose name was usually abbreviated to E.S. Clydebank) inherited East Stirlingshire's place in Division Two, playing home matches at Kilbowie. After a year, a legal challenge by East Stirlingshire supporters led to them resuming their former identity back in Falkirk. The Steedmans elected to remain at Clydebank, establishing a new club at senior level.[11]
E.S. Clydebank's single season is generally considered by historians and statisticians as a contiguous part of East Stirlingshire's record, as the merged club was never elected to the SFA or League in its own right.
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12th man
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| Tam wrote: | Some one mentioned why all the supporters groups and they should be one?
Nah, no chance all the groups do great work fundraising and of course enjoying themselves, long may they continue and thanks goodness they all exist.
A plan: we design and build the place ourselves somewhere in the ground. There are enough fans with a host of expertise and skills that surely we could build the purpose built bar/meeting place etc.?
The fans groups could contribute towards the materials and other costs involved. The club might suffer meanwhile but as they really couldn't give a sod about the 200 club members and fans who use the place, then so be it. The funds will flow eventually into the RRFC kitty. |
Just an update for you fishermen...I met with the Club late last year to discuss a development proposal regarding the Railway Stand,discussion were such that i volunteered to get drawing etc prepared, this has now been done but as yet have not tabled with the Club (I'm a bit disappointed with my self that it has taken this length of time but the first set of proposals my architect had drawn up didnt give enough flexibility to allow a more multi functional area, I have also been extremely busy with my main stay of work and this has unfortunity played second fiddle) anyway drawings will be tabled withthe Club early next next week a further discussion will take place in respect to how this can be moved on.
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Vinnie
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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| embow wrote: | | southstander wrote: |
Castle, the 200 club was set up in the late sixties, basically as a social club and meeting place within RRFC, basically it was run along the same lines as other clubs of the time, . |
The original club was formed in either late 1964 or in 1965 and was known as The Golden Goal named after Gillie's headed winner and the game's only goal versus England at Hampden in April 1964. ("I know for I was there!" - Max Boyce circa late 1960's) Some of the older folks will remember the large photo that used to sit behind the bar which was at the opposite end to where the bar is now.
The idea of a social club was the brainchild of Bert Herdman who when sacked as manager in 1963 took on the role of running the Development Fund. It was the second football social club in Scotland , the first being at Clydebank or rather ES Cydebank as they were for season 64-65.(see below) The club's Directors (one of whom was my dad) visited them to get a handle on how things were run, over and above being there when the Rovers played ES Clydebank at Kilbowie, and took the decision to go ahead and open up the big empty space that lay below the Main Stand particularly the B Stand as it was known. The bit below the A Stand was used for toilets and a drinks store.
The 200 club was extremely successful in the early years attracting people from throughout Fife especially for Bingo nights and the weekly social dance on a Saturday night. When it actually became the 200 club I'm not too sure but I've a feeling it wasn't too long after its foundation as the number of members had to be limited, so popular the place was for a night out at the time. Its popularity lasted to the end of the 60's but by then folks tastes were changing and other attractions started too take folk elsewhere. Also foreign holidays were becoming popular and people stated to save for these rather than go out every week or every other week.
ES Clydebank for those who aren't old enough to know or perhaps too old to remember
East Stirlingshire Clydebank F.C. (1964–65)
Main article: East Stirlingshire F.C.
In 1964 the Steedman brothers, owners of East Stirlingshire, controversially merged their club with Clydebank Juniors. The new club (whose name was usually abbreviated to E.S. Clydebank) inherited East Stirlingshire's place in Division Two, playing home matches at Kilbowie. After a year, a legal challenge by East Stirlingshire supporters led to them resuming their former identity back in Falkirk. The Steedmans elected to remain at Clydebank, establishing a new club at senior level.[11]
E.S. Clydebank's single season is generally considered by historians and statisticians as a contiguous part of East Stirlingshire's record, as the merged club was never elected to the SFA or League in its own right. |
Excellent summary embow
I dont see why anyone should need to pay a membership or entry fee to get a pint in the club pre match and post match.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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To raise money for RRFC Vinnie, either way it's going to them, you pay for the conveinience of having a pint inside the ground and any money raised goes to the football club.
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Tam
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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Good one 12th man, well done.
The Railway Stand is the area that needs to be re-vamped and the ideal place for a club bar/function rooms, leaving the available space in the old stand for other facilities. |
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jacobite
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Vinnie"] | jacobite wrote: | | Vinnie wrote: |
You pal obviously were never in the 200 club at that time as it was always busy and certainly was never on its knees.
Dont write about things you dont know about. |
Utter bull,as someone who frequently the club at the time I know what I`m talking about.
| Quote: | | Also as i have said before it would be better if all the supporters groups hsd 1 place to go to rather than the 200 club the Jim Mcmillan club, stix and anywhere else or is that to simple, to many organisations for one club. they need to forget about all there own little oh Ive done my bit and pull the same way because there is very little interaction between all the clubs as far as I can see. |
Sorry neebs but your memory is pash.
When we were thrown out the club and went to the fourways numbers actually increased and we had two very succesful annual danceswhich were absolutly mobbed.
Introduce yourself the next time you are in the club we are in there two hours before and after the game and you can watch us buying our one pint each.
we will be the ones on your left as you come in.
spot on.Too many organisations for the size of our club pulling in different directions.
what is the breakdown in numbers for each group? |
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Vinnie
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| southstander wrote: | | To raise money for RRFC Vinnie, either way it's going to them, you pay for the conveinience of having a pint inside the ground and any money raised goes to the football club. |
Can`t recollect having to pay for the convienance of having a pint in the ground at places like east fife,airdrie,stirling albion
If there was no membership or entry fee the may actually get more punters through the door resulting in more money behind the bar but then again if the bar is not run by the club,pointless
| Quote: | Sorry neebs but your memory is pash.
When we were thrown out the club and went to the fourways numbers actually increased and we had two very succesful annual danceswhich were absolutly mobbed.
Introduce yourself the next time you are in the club we are in there two hours before and after the game and you can watch us buying our one pint each we will be the ones on your left as you come in.
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I think the one pint you have pre match has affected your grey matter .I attended the old 200 club during the week,pre and post match and the social nights on a saturday night and attendances were dropping.I also attended the fourways and it wasnt exactly wall to wall bodies.
Was in the 200 club pre match tonight,never saw you but enjoy your one pint pre queens game though.
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scotty
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Vinnie wrote: | | southstander wrote: | | To raise money for RRFC Vinnie, either way it's going to them, you pay for the conveinience of having a pint inside the ground and any money raised goes to the football club. |
Can`t recollect having to pay for the convienance of having a pint in the ground at places like east fife,airdrie,stirling albion
If there was no membership or entry fee the may actually get more punters through the door resulting in more money behind the bar but then again if the bar is not run by the club,pointless | Quote: | Sorry neebs but your memory is pash.
When we were thrown out the club and went to the fourways numbers actually increased and we had two very succesful annual danceswhich were absolutly mobbed.
Introduce yourself the next time you are in the club we are in there two hours before and after the game and you can watch us buying our one pint each we will be the ones on your left as you come in.
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I think the one pint you have pre match has affected your grey matter .I attended the old 200 club during the week,pre and post match and the social nights on a saturday night and attendances were dropping.I also attended the fourways and it wasnt exactly wall to wall bodies.
Was in the 200 club pre match tonight,never saw you but enjoy your one pint pre queens game though. |
A few points;
1, I can recall paying a door fee to get into the old club at old Bayview and at Killie many years ago. The fact is that if it is a club then there has to be a membership and guest fees have to apply by law. This is no different from any snooker, bingo, bowling or social clubs (Gunners, CISWO etc) or even masonic lodges for that matter. It's all in the licencing laws and it's what allows clubs to charge lower bar prices and have larger measures.
2, The new Bayview now has a different licence and is not a club so different rules apply. Starks Parks alcohol licence is undersigned by who? (Tom?) and what type of licence is it? If it's still a club (and I doubt it) then they will have to have a club with a membership on the premises, step forward the JM club.
3, The fact is that the 200 club charge a fee because it always has as it was initially (in it's previous guise) and continued to be the licence holder, at the very least I assume until the 1990's. The membership fee has never been extortionate and as the area now alloted to the club is so small they cannot allow too many guests into the club as there simple isn't room to accomodate, in that sense a membership is sensible as the size of the bar cannot take allcomers as has been amply demonstrated quite often. Some fooolish figures of low amounts of members has been misquoted but in truth there is not the room in that small area for more than 40-45 people seated, above that folks have to stand and that is probably overcrowding and (technically) not allowed according to the FSC.
4, Regardless of the type of licence the bar at Starks Park is not run by the 200 club but by the football club (or possibly the people who run the hospitalty).
If I've got any of that wrong I'm sure someone who actually knows (from the committee/BOD) will put me right.
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Vinnie
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:36 am Post subject: |
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A few points;
1, I can recall paying a door fee to get into the old club at old Bayview and at Killie many years ago. The fact is that if it is a club then there has to be a membership and guest fees have to apply by law. This is no different from any snooker, bingo, bowling or social clubs (Gunners, CISWO etc) or even masonic lodges for that matter. It's all in the licencing laws and it's what allows clubs to charge lower bar prices and have larger measures. |
Must admit to knowing nothing regarding the licensing laws on fees having to apply to members and guests alike but know that many clubs do not charge a guest fee as such but are obliged not forced to put a donation in the box at the door.This applies to many clubs in Fife.
As a club there will be a set of members rules and constitution?
Anyway,had my say on this matter so will leave it that.
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| If you go into any club and are a non-member you by law have to sign the visitors book and either give a donation or pay an entrance fee.This is the law of the land and is probably part of the licencing law for clubs.If you object to this then don't go simple. |
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Vinnie
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| zicoromaines wrote: | | If you go into any club and are a non-member you by law have to sign the visitors book and either give a donation or pay an entrance fee. |
Is that right?I have been in numerous clubs where there has been no entrance fee or donation box so there must be many a club breaking the law.Can you provide a link to the law that states you must give a donation?
| Quote: | | This is the law of the land and is probably part of the licencing law for clubs. |
So its now probably
| Quote: | | If you object to this then don't go simple. |
Very constructive
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Its true Vinnie, and as far as I can remember part of the Fife Licensing criteria for clubs was the bar had to be six feet in width!!!!
Apparently it was to stop people bar hingin'
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Graeme Meldrum
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35 years following the Rovers and I wouldn't how to get in the 200 club, or where it is.
What happened to the 50 club ? |
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jacobite
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Vinnie wrote: | | southstander wrote: | | To raise money for RRFC Vinnie, either way it's going to them, you pay for the conveinience of having a pint inside the ground and any money raised goes to the football club. |
Can`t recollect having to pay for the convienance of having a pint in the ground at places like east fife,airdrie,stirling albion
If there was no membership or entry fee the may actually get more punters through the door resulting in more money behind the bar but then again if the bar is not run by the club,pointless
| Quote: | Sorry neebs but your memory is pash.
When we were thrown out the club and went to the fourways numbers actually increased and we had two very succesful annual danceswhich were absolutly mobbed.
Introduce yourself the next time you are in the club we are in there two hours before and after the game and you can watch us buying our one pint each we will be the ones on your left as you come in.
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I think the one pint you have pre match has affected your grey matter .I attended the old 200 club during the week,pre and post match and the social nights on a saturday night and attendances were dropping.I also attended the fourways and it wasnt exactly wall to wall bodies.
Was in the 200 club pre match tonight,never saw you but enjoy your one pint pre queens game though. |
Wasnt there on tuesday as i was working 1st game missed in a few years.
You will find the 200 club doesnt operate at night games so going with your arguement it must have ben mobbed tuesday nite as anyone could have went in for a drink
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