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scotty · Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 9070 Location: Almost Dysart.

Add to Wolfmans bit on Masonic Lodges likeness to SP.

Playing two home games a month with an average of 100-150 punters would give more than treble what most masonic lodges would have at their bar functions (unless it was an annual dance type thing). Having the ability to sell bar-food too on a match day would really make profits rise.

It's true that the pub game is a losing one these days but the fact is Raith already are in the pub game to some degree, and sadly don't make the most out of it. But happily are now looking for ways to change this. I'd rather see 100 Raith fans paying £3 a pint at a small profit to the club at SP than giving it to some local businessman in his establishment who is making a bigger profit for himself.

Perhaps it wouldn't make a mint but on an average of 100 fans spending £10 (2 pints and a burger?) with a 70% profit margin it'd be another £1400 a month that they are not currently getting. Even more fans + more food & Drink = more profit.

As has been said before the role models are out there in the likes of East Fife, Peterhead and Livvi.
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Tam · Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:48 am Post subject:

Good assessment Scotty.

Back in the day the 1970's the 200 Club was stowed out on match days and it started around 1pm to fill up. Big domino games going on, fans chatting and the pints flowed. The profits made back then must have been very big. There were Saturday evening events as well, and we even went along on Thursday evenings for a pint.

Goodness knows what hospitality will bring in compared to the loss of fans drinking beer?

Castle · Joined: 24 Jul 2010 Posts: 4934

Perhaps i am being naive but surely hopefully maybe the powers that be would crunch the numbers and do the maths and come to the correct conclusion.
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Soundwave · Joined: 15 Jul 2008 Posts: 819 Location: Edinburgh

The point I was making was, where's the evidence that a club which is available to the community 24/7 would actually be used? Yes, there may be grants and other funding available, to invest in what? Something that may or may not be used?

Again, if this was a business proposition and it was my money i'd be wanting evidence that there would be demand out there and that the facility could compete against the current market.

Is Kirkcaldy in desparate need of a facility which is available 24/7 (based in the Links)?

New Bayview works because of a) the quality of the facility and b) it's location, making it competitve against what else is available nearby; same goes for East End Park. Unfortunately, Stark's Park isn't exactly in a prime location to attract business.

The directors at RRFC are not stupid. They have business experience and are looking into how they can maximise on the current setup. Unfortunately, the club perhaps feel that the margins on a matchday in the 200 Club fall short of what could be made through an improved hospitatlity package, if this is indeed what they are proposing.

Right now, it is all about the margins and the bottom line - income vs. expense.

sonofwallace · Joined: 11 Jul 2008 Posts: 7382 Location: kirkcaldy

All i said was that i had looked into it and it looks as tho the club wasnt interested in it so its the end of the story.If someone like john sim or whoever decided thats the way forward then good luck to him as i wont be looking into it again.
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In the past when clubs or social clubs were very popular places like the 200 club were open 7 days a week.On a Saturday night if the Rovers were at home the club was emptied around 6 to 6.30 pm to set up for the evenings entertainment.During the week I assume it was open only on the evenings I am not sure about this though.In the 70's and 80's the 200 club payed a lot of the bills at Starks Park or donated the money to allow the Rovers to pay these bills.If you don't beleive me the accounts are still available so ask at the club to view them.Mr Penman in his wisdom desided that they wre no longer required in the early 90's and were asked to vacate the premises.In the late 90's or early 2000's they were asked to come back into Starks Park on the premise that a mistake had been made by a previous board and that they were welcome to come back into Starks Park and would never be put out again.This BOD are going against that promise but again for this BOD it is not unusual inj fact it seems to be normal.Eric you were there when this promise was made can you enlighten us or will your silence answer all our questions ?

Vinnie · Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:37 pm Post subject:

Sorry but dont blame Mr Penman for the demise of the old 200 club.The club was on its knees.There was times you could drive a bus through and not ht anyone.

As far as the existing 200 club is concerned ,if its not making the club any money over the bar, why should it continue?
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hatrick · Joined: 16 Jul 2008 Posts: 580

Not enough people use the 200 club just now, you are lucky if 30-40 punters are using it at the moment and at the most buying a couple of pints so if you do the sums the club makes very little profit, some people might drink more but most only buy 1 drink. for me all the supporters groups should be one organisation and work together that way we can maximise the facilities more than we do now.

scotty · Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 9070 Location: Almost Dysart.

I wasn't a 200 club member when it was upstairs at the 4 ways but I was when they were banished by Alex and the board and went to the Charter club in Forth Ave. I know many members never re-joined during/after that move. If i remember correctly this was at the beginning of the 2nd season in the Premier league after Jimmy Nicol left. The club were redeveloping the stadium and wanted the all the area below the main stand to be the "Premier lounge" for hospitality. Since development of this area and the enforced move the number of members of the 200 has remained massively reduced. Even when brought back to the ground the membership numbers stayed lower than before as the ones that left never came back. Mind you with only 1/2 of the area to work with it wouldn't be big enough accomodate the numbers it used to enjoy anyway.

Most match days there are anything between 30 and 60 members and guests in and that figure is at it's peak between 2pm and 2-45. When there are 40 people in that small area every seat is taken and when there are 50+ in it's actually a wee bit choked.

Evicting the 200 club and losing the meagre bar takings from the reduced numbers that now come to the club now would probably make little odds to the clubs coffers. However it has to be noted that the 200 club do raise thousands of pounds over the year from; quiz's, racenights, afterdinner speaking, raffles and the like. Any new venture would have to be able to not only beat the 200 club bar takings (which RRFC take directly) but beat it handsomely and make up for the loss of the other monies that the 200 club used to raise and donate to the club. The club has struggled to sell it's hospitality packages this season so how will having more empty table help?

The last time the 200 club was kicked out it survived but with reduced numbers, this time will be the end of it altogether.
Perhaps like almost every other of the Kirkcaldy Club Combine it's day has passed. Mind you many of the "clubbies" in Dundee are still thriving.
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Castle · Joined: 24 Jul 2010 Posts: 4934

I have been a Rovers fan all my life but have never bothered about being a member of the various clubs assosociated with the club apart from being in the supporters club as a youngster. Here are a couple of genuine questions that maybe someone could answer.
What exactly is the 200 Club?
Is the lounge where we the open meeting at the end of last year was held the area in which the 200 club are being asked to leave?
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