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Northern_Rover



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all been said regarding the referee.

Biggest disappointment for me was our inability to see out a draw having conceded the equaliser in 87 min.

A draw wouldn't have done a huge amount of benefit or damage for either side but kept us a point off the play offs.

However losing the third goal well into stoppage time was just criminal and for me has consigned us to fifth.

I really can't see how we can secure 4th now given the injuries and suspensions resulting from yesterday.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are no easy games in the last 6 and only two of them at home, its hard to see where points are going to come from to stay in 5th never mind even make the top 4
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Armagh Rover wrote:
That complete clown has been in charge of 27 games this season so far that has produced a staggering 93 yellow cards and 7 reds that doesn't include McGlynns red and yellow or any other manager he may have carded, hes not fit to be a referee


The yellow total is low normal for refs, the red total is high.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itís not in doubt the officiating altered the outcome of this match but the finish wasnít unusual for this season.

Iím not about to sit and work it out but pretty sure if all goals scored in last 10mins in whole league this season were removed, we would be close to being champions already, it has been a recurring theme since the 4-4 on opening day
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that the manager called it correctly in his post-match interview, and summarised every talking point in a reasoned and balanced manner.

Main headline is that absolutely everything went against us in the match, starting with the two injuries to key players, both benuine accidents, and continuing with the referee's inconsistency in handling the 'controversial' moments, with every key decision in that last 30mins favouring ICT and going against us. Fair enough, red card for Benedictus, when he mis-controlled the ball and followed through high on Broadfoot- but the ICT sub forward did exactly the same 15mins later on Connolly, and received only a yellow. And both yellow cards for Williamson came when he was the player fouled.

Other breaks going against us included the deflection for their equaliser, and the foul in the lead up to their winner (can't agree about criticisms of our defending on either occasion - yes, you can always find fault but really, it was just ill fortune)

If breaks even out over a season, then we're due a good few over the next 7 games. But, as I've said previously, we're not yet at the level of being genuine Premiership contenders anyway - so I'm not too despondent that the play-offs are looking less likely now.

If we can win the cup in a fortnight and set our stall out for a right good go at the Championship in 2022-23, I'll be OK with that. Kilmarnock will need to do a lot of rebuilding to survive in the top league next year, and St Johnstone will take care of any other challenger for promotion in the playoffs.

In my view, next year's championship will be there for the taking, as Dundee will be weak, and there are no promotion challengers coming out of League One that I can see....
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stan drew rover wrote:
I think that the manager called it correctly in his post-match interview, and summarised every talking point in a reasoned and balanced manner.

Main headline is that absolutely everything went against us in the match, starting with the two injuries to key players, both benuine accidents, and continuing with the referee's inconsistency in handling the 'controversial' moments, with every key decision in that last 30mins favouring ICT and going against us. Fair enough, red card for Benedictus, when he mis-controlled the ball and followed through high on Broadfoot- but the ICT sub forward did exactly the same 15mins later on Connolly, and received only a yellow. And both yellow cards for Williamson came when he was the player fouled.

Other breaks going against us included the deflection for their equaliser, and the foul in the lead up to their winner (can't agree about criticisms of our defending on either occasion - yes, you can always find fault but really, it was just ill fortune)

If breaks even out over a season, then we're due a good few over the next 7 games. But, as I've said previously, we're not yet at the level of being genuine Premiership contenders anyway - so I'm not too despondent that the play-offs are looking less likely now.

If we can win the cup in a fortnight and set our stall out for a right good go at the Championship in 2022-23, I'll be OK with that. Kilmarnock will need to do a lot of rebuilding to survive in the top league next year, and St Johnstone will take care of any other challenger for promotion in the playoffs.

In my view, next year's championship will be there for the taking, as Dundee will be weak, and there are no promotion challengers coming out of League One that I can see....


Pretty much agree with everything youíve said SDR. However my blood was boiling again this morning after watching the highlights again. Grrrrrrrr.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's not much else to be said that SDR hasn't covered well. I thought that we did get an early break with our goal, as the ICT keeper made a poor attempt at a save, although Aidan did hit it firmly. After that, everything, just everything, went against us.
It has been said a number of times, but we have come a long way since we were battling with Falkirk to come up.
Expectations have risen too quickly since then. We have the basis of a decent squad for next season, although there are obvious shortcomings to be addressed (which can be discussed on the thread that Tx started). Personally, I would like to see JMcG and Smudger remain, as the struggles we had previously are still fresh in my mind.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont give in guys but bear in mind with the braw weather been drinking bottles of optimism

Dunfy beat Thistle on Tuesday night leaves us 3 points behind Thistle

Our run ins hard and difficult to see where our next wins coming from but Thistles run in ain,t easy either

Ps

Dont see any of the Championship teams winning the play offs anyway
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Franco wrote:
There's not much else to be said that SDR hasn't covered well. I thought that we did get an early break with our goal, as the ICT keeper made a poor attempt at a save, although Aidan did hit it firmly. After that, everything, just everything, went against us.
It has been said a number of times, but we have come a long way since we were battling with Falkirk to come up.
Expectations have risen too quickly since then. We have the basis of a decent squad for next season, although there are obvious shortcomings to be addressed (which can be discussed on the thread that Tx started). Personally, I would like to see JMcG and Smudger remain, as the struggles we had previously are still fresh in my mind.


Aye, in a nutshell Franco. Agree with your entire post. Like others, absolutely bylen with some of the "Man in Black's" decisions. Isn't it awful that one Man's incompetence can affect so many people?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vinnie wrote:
Dont give in guys but bear in mind with the braw weather been drinking bottles of optimism

Dunfy beat Thistle on Tuesday night leaves us 3 points behind Thistle

Our run ins hard and difficult to see where our next wins coming from but Thistles run in ain,t easy either

Ps

Dont see any of the Championship teams winning the play offs anyway


Totally agree, but just to be in them generates that extra wee bit more cash which I would think is fairly necessary, especially given recent events.
Will the Pars beat Thistle?
Most unlikely but just for once you'd hope they get things together against a team other than ours.🙂

PS. stan drew rover has pretty much nailed it with his post.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2022 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only bit of Standews post I disagree with was the "both genuine accidents" line. The Berra and Bene coming together was clumsy but accidental, not so the Doran challenge on Jamma. For me he leads with his knee knowing full well he's more likely to cause injury than receive it. you could argue that the nudge from Williamson puts him off balance but I think he knew exactly what he was doing there.

As I've said elswhere it's the reactions of Broadfoot and Co that influenced Stevens to red card Bene just as it was the actions of the ICT players that got Davo sent off. McGlynn seemed to think BW's second yellow was for dissent but it looked to me as being more for his reaction to the ICT player who'd fouled him. Again the ICT man has lifted his hands and shoved Williamson yet escaped sanction completely.
At the end of the day it was a silly challenge from Bene and inexperience and the red mist from Williamson and McGlynn respectively.

The ref may or may not have been read the riot act by his assessor but I suspect we'll never hear either way from the closed shop that is the SFA, however I also suspect he's been told that he let himself be influenced and that his general handling of the game was poor to the extent he lost control of events.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2022 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree re the challenge on MacDonald.
I said at the time that the Inverness player knew what he was doing and had time to pull out.
The fact the referee awarded a free kick for a challenge that led to a goalkeeper being stretchered off, then took no further action, is yet another example of his incompetence.

If the consequences weren't so serious, and Steven wasn't such an abject little man, his use of the whistle, while the melee involving Bene and Broadfoot was going on, is almost comical. It's like watching a box set of One Man and his Dog, except the dugs generally take heed as the person blowing the whistle has earned their respect.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2022 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The whole Bene thing showed a side of our game that, whilst commendable, no body else seems to bother with, he was way too honest, as soon as Broadfoot raised his hands Bene should have gone down clutching his face. That would have made that wee gargoyl of a ref think twice about who got the red
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