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Dunfermline Athletic v Raith Rovers (Tuesday, 4 May 2021) -
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Armagh Rover



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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2021 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stan drew rover wrote:
Meanwhile, back with our match....

I didn't mean to suggest we deserved much out of tinight's performance in my earlier post. We couldn't have complained if Pars had won, possibly bu two goals. But they didn't, and that's their own fault and a problem they face.

Meanwhile, we showed enough to suggest we've recovered from the Hearts debacle and, in giving some game time to Ugwu and Duku (who looked quite up for it, actually), we showed we have options for Saturday as well.

Saturday will be huge, and we've earned the slight advantage of being at home, and so may well build on the clean sheet tonight and take the tie.

Will we then have enough in the tank for two games vs Dundee? That's hypothetical for now, and at best remains a question for another day....


Even if we got past Dundee its another two games or is it one against the premier team
Its allwas been so unfair and biased toward the team finishing 9th up there
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2021 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Delighted to still be well in the tie but disappointed we never made more of a fist of it.

I'm struggling to see how the Gullan / Vaughan partnership is supposed to provide an attacking goal scoring threat while there are two out and out centre forwards on the bench.

We ground that out tonight with a large slice of luck. Hopefully we will offer more of a creative threat on Saturday.

As for Falkirk - Johnnie Walker played Amarillo on Sundays show and brought a huge smile to my face.
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2021 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Armagh Rover wrote:
stan drew rover wrote:
Meanwhile, back with our match....

I didn't mean to suggest we deserved much out of tinight's performance in my earlier post. We couldn't have complained if Pars had won, possibly bu two goals. But they didn't, and that's their own fault and a problem they face.

Meanwhile, we showed enough to suggest we've recovered from the Hearts debacle and, in giving some game time to Ugwu and Duku (who looked quite up for it, actually), we showed we have options for Saturday as well.

Saturday will be huge, and we've earned the slight advantage of being at home, and so may well build on the clean sheet tonight and take the tie.

Will we then have enough in the tank for two games vs Dundee? That's hypothetical for now, and at best remains a question for another day....


Even if we got past Dundee its another two games or is it one against the premier team
Its allwas been so unfair and biased toward the team finishing 9th up there


I know I'll be in the minority with this view, but I actually believe these playoffs between Chjampionship and Premiership are the fairest of all, cvertainly compared with the alternatives in both Scotland and England.

The extreme scenario we avoid is that of English League Two, where 7th place could come 20pts behind 4th and still secure promotion at the higher-placed team's expense. If they had to work harder than the team above them to 'overtake' them, as it were, then fair enough. But they don't. Win the two-legged playoff semi and you're thorugh, as if the 46 preceding league games counted for nothing.

In our case, I reckon it's fair enough that 3rd or 4th has to work so much harder than 2nd to get through our playoffs. And when it comes to the final against 11th place, well, the alternative from the Premier boys was no playoff at all - so one-and-a-half promotion places is n't as good as two, but it sure is better than one.

I'm aware also of the financial argument in manufacturing playoff scenarios that are unfair, but wanted to stick to a purely footballing argument.

Bottom line - I'd rather have our system than any of the others
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2021 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the 3rd/4th should be one game at home of 3rd place.
Semi, one game at home of 2nd place.

As for the game, great result if not performance but for all I like a grass surface, Iím hoping our astro is a factor in us progressing through at least one round...
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good result on the night.

A wee bit worrying that it was not until the 64th minute their keeper made his first save despite our possession?

However, with this draw we have given ourselves a good chance on Saturday on our home turf. (Or should that be, "our home plastic"?)
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good result away from home definitely shot shy. Goodness knows why???

But its still all to play for
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stan drew rover wrote:
Armagh Rover wrote:
stan drew rover wrote:
Meanwhile, back with our match....

I didn't mean to suggest we deserved much out of tinight's performance in my earlier post. We couldn't have complained if Pars had won, possibly bu two goals. But they didn't, and that's their own fault and a problem they face.

Meanwhile, we showed enough to suggest we've recovered from the Hearts debacle and, in giving some game time to Ugwu and Duku (who looked quite up for it, actually), we showed we have options for Saturday as well.

Saturday will be huge, and we've earned the slight advantage of being at home, and so may well build on the clean sheet tonight and take the tie.

Will we then have enough in the tank for two games vs Dundee? That's hypothetical for now, and at best remains a question for another day....


Even if we got past Dundee its another two games or is it one against the premier team
Its allwas been so unfair and biased toward the team finishing 9th up there



I know I'll be in the minority with this view, but I actually believe these playoffs between Chjampionship and Premiership are the fairest of all, cvertainly compared with the alternatives in both Scotland and England.

The extreme scenario we avoid is that of English League Two, where 7th place could come 20pts behind 4th and still secure promotion at the higher-placed team's expense. If they had to work harder than the team above them to 'overtake' them, as it were, then fair enough. But they don't. Win the two-legged playoff semi and you're thorugh, as if the 46 preceding league games counted for nothing.

In our case, I reckon it's fair enough that 3rd or 4th has to work so much harder than 2nd to get through our playoffs. And when it comes to the final against 11th place, well, the alternative from the Premier boys was no playoff at all - so one-and-a-half promotion places is n't as good as two, but it sure is better than one.

I'm aware also of the financial argument in manufacturing playoff scenarios that are unfair, but wanted to stick to a purely footballing argument.

Bottom line - I'd rather have our system than any of the others


I agree that 3rd 4th should have to work harder, however I really think 11th place should have it harder than they do.

For me, the lower league playoffs work best. 4th vs 11th in the league above, and 2nd vs 3rd with 2nd having home advantage in 2nd leg is fair.
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whilst I think vaughan and Gullan are our 2 best attacking options, i think last night maybe Gozie or Manny should of been on before the 85th minute. For me, as the game went on I thought we needed a more physical presence up front.
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed, BP, but they are so unpredictable that five minutes after one goes on you could be shouting at the screen to get him off!
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

badpress139 wrote:
Whilst I think vaughan and Gullan are our 2 best attacking options, i think last night maybe Gozie or Manny should of been on before the 85th minute. For me, as the game went on I thought we needed a more physical presence up front.


Agreed, we should start wi Gozi and let LV feed off him, Duku is too lightweight for that role.
Calderon says it should be harder for the 11th place team - I agree but it is the usual SPL self preservation society, so insular it gives me the boke!
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a lazy player manny duku is came back to cover a player then gave up running when he could easily have caught up early seasons form has gone with him doesn't chase anything must be frustrating for the rest of the squad oh to have a decent striker
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Armagh Rover



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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cant we sneak Keatings into the line up Laughing , when is Davos appeal being heard ???
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Heilan Rover



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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John, in his post match interview, suggested it was pretty much even, but we were slightly the better team overall. (I paraphrase)

This was not how I remembered the game. So, in an attempt to refresh my memory from last night, I have just watched the seven minutes of hi lights from Raith TV.
In this seven minutes, Dunfermline had ELEVEN attempts at goal, and we had TWO!

In order to agree with John, I clearly have a lot more to learn about football, because I cannot see how we were in any way slightly superior?

I still think we can do this, but we've got to do better on Saturday Lads. (In my humble and obviously uneducated opinion.)
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wellyboot



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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

decent coverage from Pars TV but the biased commentary, although understandable, was annoying at times. The passing across the back is risky at times and Dunfermline pressed high to stop us playing the same as Hearts did but they aren't as good as the Jambos. The first sub for us came on at 82 mins.....why so late?

Overall, still a decent result and we are very much still in this tie. Sadly, im working Saturday so wont see the game but hopefully a wee win and a tie against Dundee to follow.
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Armagh Rover wrote:
Cant we sneak Keatings into the line up Laughing , when is Davos appeal being heard ???


Davos appeal is being heard tomorrow, Thursday 6th May.
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