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Rovers v. Wasps 27.2.21
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duke of atholl



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:31 pm    Post subject: Rovers v. Wasps 27.2.21 Reply with quote

First of three home games in a row. Our home form has been abysmal this season: currently third bottom in the home form table. Can we turn it around and consolidate a top four spot?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Rovers v. Wasps 27.2.21 Reply with quote

duke of atholl wrote:
First of three home games in a row. Our home form has been abysmal this season: currently third bottom in the home form table. Can we turn it around and consolidate a top four spot?


We've had two horrible performances against Queen of the South and Hearts, but ten points from six games is hardly abysmal.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again I guess it will be down to which Rovers team turns up? However I can't help thinking the recent signings have confused matters somewhat.

Before I start, let me make it clear that I understand the need for back up players in case of injuries, suspensions, and the like. However we seem to have brought in players that have gone straight into the team as replacements, and this has taken a settled team that was producing more than decent results prior to the January window, and turned them into the disjointed bunch we saw against Arbroath last Saturday. Might this be down to a lack of team consistency? Is John McGlynn's hand being forced because of contractual commitments to some of these players that they must be played as has been suggested elsewhere on this forum? Then there's the elephant in the room that seems to be continuously ignored.

Duku! We must be the only football club in existence where our top Goal Scorer doesn't get a start, and on some occasions doesn't even come on as a sub? Now if there is an "off pitch" problem with this lad, then surely the management team ought to be able to sort it out and get the guy back on the football park scoring goals. Maybe this a question for Davie when he speaks with John today? Surely as fans we deserve to know why our top goal scorer sits out most games on the bench?

Maybe I am just an old guy being naive and none of the above makes sense to the rest of you. I certainly do not have the stats to back-up my assertion that we were playing better before the January window. It certainly feels that way. Maybe Tex will have the facts and be able to substantiate this feeling?

Let us hope whatever team turns out that they listen to John and Paul this week and carry out their bidding. It appeared from John's post match interview last week that he was as confused as the rest of us as to why, with a strong wind at our back, we were continually rolling the ball about at the back instead of defending from the half way line as conditions were dictating.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the first of 3 games which can have a massive bearing on our final league position this season. Nine points must be an absolute here, there can be no let up.
The gaffer must get them fired up for these games and, irrespective of what is going on behind the scenes, he must use all of the tools at his disposal.
I have a feeling Davie and Niall may have been warned of discussing Duku in the interviews if it is an internal matter.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be good if the rumours / speculation that a couple of our players may have signed pre-contracts with other clubs could be laid to rest. If loan players were indeed contracted to play each week - and are not cutting it with us, then how can they be expected to cut it with their own clubs later on? Of course, if they are not that good, the better a deal that club can get with League one or League 2 clubs next season, the better for them and if simply having started for us each week makes them look better---- IF that really is the case, then it needs to be addresed with the parent club. Could they potentially be swapped at this stage if need be?

For the Alloa game, there is no longer the excuse of being "tired". Heaven forbid we get the excuse of not having played for a while! Alloa may well be tired after Inverness, but they showed what they could do up there. We should treat the game as if we were hosting the Pars or Dundee - not "just Alloa", because if we do, we will lose, just like we did at Arbroath.

While I agree that performances have been worse since January, Inverness away was the first sign of this whole "can't be bothered" attitude. Dunfermline away was absolutely shocking. The players totally ingnored the fans underlying expectations for a derby game. If we had lost by a goal, it would have been acceptable. Lately slackness seems to have become a habit.

Third place is far from abysmal, but you have to remember that we were top of the league with Gary Locke for a while too. Okay, it was a shorter time and Locke was not nearly in the same league as McGlynn in terms of managing players, but JMcG now has his work cut out to turn those poor performances into good ones. It is very unlikely that we will be relegated this season, but if we are serious about a Premiership play-off place, we need to consistently show that kind of form and attitude. If we are in this league next season, we will be much better motivated coming out of promotion play-offs than we would be after trying to halt a downward slide.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Raith Tv have indeed been warned off discussing individual players then to me at least that's no surprise.
Duku is top scorer but has been benched, why? If it was injury related I'm sure the club would have said so, therefor it's something else and it's enough to upset the management, McGlynn is (according to most) good and easy to work for so what ever it is it has to be bad enough for him to drop the top scorer. His replacements are the less than proficient Ugwu and the loanee from Fulham who so far looks to me as it he's only got a gig at all because his brother is a star, in all appearances so far I don't reckon Timmy has it and the fact that he's not getting off the bench I think John & Paul think the same.

Also not being spoken about is Regan Hendry, he said all the right things in the past but the fact he's not willing (if he was he'd have already done it) to sign on again means he's yesterdays man, hopefully he will turn in better performances before he goes than of late.

Musonda is the only one I'd not question performance wise (Eastend aside!) but he too will be adding to the problem if his future is on the line and he isn't settled. Ironically he's the player I'd miss the most as good centre halves are hard to come by.
Sod breaking the bank for these guys, yes they are all good and yes I'd rather they stayed but if I were Rovers I'd be saying £XXXX/Month is yer lot, that's what we can afford, that offer will only be on the table for X days and after that it will be removed and we will pursue replacements for next season.

Keiran McDonalds future is secure but he's off the boil....well off the boil! Something is wrong there as his confidence has dropped and his passing is now costing us goals.

Last Saturday again amplified how much we miss Matthews, but not having Spencer or Musonda robbed us of a large amount of quality and we suffered. Poor pitch and conditions aside we should still have had enough to come away with something but couldn't because our passing game totally deserted us and shape and balance looked all wrong.
Hopefully John will have Brad and Frankie available again and have something worked out for Alloa but as long as we have 3 or 4 players who aren't settled (never mind fully committed to the club) then I think we are in for the long haul as opposed to the easy run in.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ach, our inconsistency and, especially, lack will to win when things are not going our way, meant that I had decided to give posting a rest
for a while, because I am one of those preferring to be positive , most of the time. However, reading the posts by Heilan Rover ,Neil and Scotty encouraged me to contribute, and all three make valid points.
One angle which I find very odd is that, apparently , readers of The Courier are kept better informed than those of the FFP and those tuning in to the recent pre-game interviews on Raith TV. A few weeks ago , I reached the conclusion that JMcG had become frustrated that he was giving out too
much team information ,which could be used by the opposition. Fair enough, I thought , we 'll have to put up with little information, if that helps the team. BUT, why then did The Courier, apparently, run a story last week (not mentioned elsewhere ) that Rossco wasn't fit to return and ,this week, that LV won't make the Alloa game but may be fit to face the Pars? If there's an embargo on giving team news , shouldn't that a blanket ban?
Maybe it's the Courier that could find out more about Duku's position? Personally, I thought that Manny's more recent performances meant that his place was up for grabs (but neither Gozie nor Timmy have convinced ). Of Manny's nine goals so far, five were in the League Cup? I do think he should play on Saturday, though
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hard to put your finger on whats causing the inconsistence, I would imagine if players signing pre contracts elsewhere was a reason then supporters of those teams would have mentioned it on other forums.
Maybe Mathews getting an extension and no one else at that stage being offered one maybe upset the apple cart, but thats just conjecture on my part

Anyway on to the Alloa game lets have Jekyll turn up and hope Hyde has been banished for the forseeable
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Neil M



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Franco wrote:
I reached the conclusion that JMcG had become frustrated that he was giving out toomuch team information ,which could be used by the opposition. Fair enough, I thought , we 'll have to put up with little information, if that helps the team. BUT, why then did The Courier, apparently, run a story last week (not mentioned elsewhere ) that Rossco wasn't fit to return and ,this week, that LV won't make the Alloa game but may be fit to face the Pars? If there's an embargo on giving team news , shouldn't that a blanket an?


They say that what journalists don't know, they just make up. My bet would be that someone at the club answered a few questions - weeks ago and before JmcG decided to keep schtum - about the timeline of returning players.
Then, when the club won't say too much now, they may second-guess that timeline, in order to sell a convincing story.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Franco, when I worked at Leuchars, if you read the Courier you would go into work everyday expecting the rest of the universe to drop on your head. Nuff said.

I am happy with the management team being more circumspect with their squad availability comments also happy for Davie and Niall not to push them on such issues unless obvious long term stuff like LV was.

Last week McGlynn stated he knew what he would face at Arbroath, so my questions this week would be along the lines of, if we knew what to expect why did we lose, and, do we know what to expect from Alloa and will we do better this time, if not, why not?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah well, Neil and RZ , I'll not ask my newsagent to put aside a copy of The Courier for me, then! 😂😂(Though , that might change if LV does make the squad against Das Pars.😉)
On LV , one of the big drawbacks of not having a reserve team or a youth team allowing a couple of over-age players , meant that he had to come straight back to the main team to get his fitness and match sharpness up, and that re-bounded with the thigh strain )
As I said above , having no information re injuries is frustrating but fine if it leads to better results and ,again, this evening the question was not asked on Raith TV.
Rather taken aback that there may be another loan signing (or Tom Lang arrives early, but, surely, he's not match fit ?)
Crossing fingers and toes for good viewing on Saturday!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Match day afternoon.

Which team turns up today then?

Hopefully a team that will play committed football for the shirts!

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This game will be very telling, as to whether anything is improving or not. It is typical of a game that classic Rovers would botch - games which we "should" win. A lot has changed in the last eighteen months, but flaws have appeared again recently.

Nine points from three games is a tall order for an inconsistent team, but they are home games - and if the team have had their wee sensitive bums kicked sufficiently, you never know! I'd settle for seven points and six wouldn't be a disaster - although less than six, from the three games would not be too clever.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Results elsewhere today could see us under a fair bit of pressure if we lose this
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rossco is back and my optimism returns!!👍

Looks like a strong bench too, subject to fitness and form.
C'mon The Rovers!
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