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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:28 am    Post subject: Euan Murray - disappointed Reply with quote

Another interview with a Rovers player saying they were disappointed with the way they played and they want to turn it round. How many times will we hear this? https://www.fifetoday.co.uk/sport/football/raith-rovers/euan-aims-for-a-raith-response-1-4788182

I do sometimes feel sorry for the players as they seem to be stuck with this rigid 4-4-2 that BS plays and will not change.
He had the opportunity to move things round on Saturday but left two guys on the bench rather than try and switch it up a bit.
I see no reason why we can't play with 3 at the back for a change, Murray and McKay certainly have the pace to cover.

I think we will hear the same message from players quite often, purely down to the managers lack of tactical acumen and his unwillingness to change things, we are too easy to play against.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old story, we sign players from other clubs that are decent, they play well when they 1st arrive only for us to train the good out of them.

Time after time after time.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Willie Wallace, Joe Baker, Gordon Wallace (mks 1 & 2), Murray McDermott, Malky Robertson, Brin Cooper, just a few that come immediately to mind that signed and were not the same after training with us. It what you want to remember Scotty and you being anti manager this will not change your mind either. My outlook on the Rovers though. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zicoromaines wrote:
Willie Wallace, Joe Baker, Gordon Wallace (mks 1 & 2), Murray McDermott, Malky Robertson, Brin Cooper, just a few that come immediately to mind that signed and were not the same after training with us.

This has to be a wind up..surely!
All of the above performed admirably for us whilst players at different stages of their collective football careers.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

embow wrote:
zicoromaines wrote:
Willie Wallace, Joe Baker, Gordon Wallace (mks 1 & 2), Murray McDermott, Malky Robertson, Brin Cooper, just a few that come immediately to mind that signed and were not the same after training with us.

This has to be a wind up..surely!
All of the above performed admirably for us whilst players at different stages of their collective football careers.


Wouldn't dispute that for a minute but I suggest we are talking ancient history here, the majority of those guys are now plying their trade in gods own Rovers XI.

Can the defence pick a player that the club has signed in the past 3 seasons whom we have made in to a better player? If you can Zico I'll bet I can name 3 who have gotten worse to any that you think we improved.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So Scotty and Embow you mis-read my post. Scotty you were going on about signing a good player and making them bad. I gave you a few examples of the opposite. I will give you one that you may remember as being a good example for your argument Kenny McDonald, another is that little gingerheaded waste of money we bought from Airdrie. All I am trying to say for every bad one there is sometimes a good ones. Davie McGurn, Ewan Murray, Ian McLeod, Jock McStay, Mark Campbell, Bene till his injury over the years yes we have signed duffers but you have to admit we have signed some crackers. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Bill but I dispute your last argument on all six counts.

Davie McGurn, was already a fine keeper when he arrived at us...he stayed good we didn't improve him.
Ewan Murray, again a decent player but nothing startling and have we improved him into a better player now than he was with his previous clubs?
Ian McLeod, stalwart at Raith as he was at Falkirk and with Motherwell before that when they won the 1st Div that midweek night at Starks Park in the 80's. He was good when he came and he stayed just as good.
Mark Campbell, solid at Ayr as he was with us, did he really get better with us? Or was it just that with Marv alongside they were a brilliant partnership (seem to recall he wasn't so great with Lumsden!!)
Bene. Did well as a youngster at Dee, was decent under McKinnon (as were just about everyone else) but other than the 1st few games last season where he was immense he hasn't really made it as we all hoped he would. He played SPL with Dee now he's toiling in Div 1.

I'd like to give you Jock McStay as a correct example but I can't. He was only a youth at Motherwell who Frank Connor made into a very good Right Back, Nicol helped make him even better not worse that's true. There for he wasn't a "good player who we improved" just a youth we developed as he matured.
Oh and for the record Bill both McStay and McLeod were 30 years ago, not just a season ago!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Disliked and deemed disruptive by both Munro and Nicol who wouldn't play him, seem to recall he had a much better time of it in the Premier league when he left us.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zicoromaines wrote:
I will give you one that you may remember as being a good example for your argument Kenny McDonald, another is that little gingerheaded waste of money we bought from Airdrie.:


I'll give you a slack handful from our last 2 years that have become worse players since we signed them (or Mckinnon left).

McHattie (average SPL to poor Div 1 player)
Bene not the player he was 3 years ago.
Buchanan,
Spence.
Thomson
Barr

While on the plus side we have greatly improved the talents of........?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scotty wrote:
Old story, we sign players from other clubs that are decent, they play well when they 1st arrive only for us to train the good out of them.

Time after time after time.


zicoromaines wrote:
Willie Wallace, Joe Baker, Gordon Wallace (mks 1 & 2), Murray McDermott, Malky Robertson, Brin Cooper, just a few that come immediately to mind that signed and were not the same after training with us. It what you want to remember Scotty and you being anti manager this will not change your mind either. My outlook on the Rovers though. Wink


zicoromaines wrote:
So Scotty and Embow you mis-read my post. Scotty you were going on about signing a good player and making them bad. I gave you a few examples of the opposite.

Confused

Absolutely no mention of them getting better playing for us!
And following on from scotty's post it reads as if these are chosen to illustrate his point.
I rest my case, m'lud!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

embow wrote:
scotty wrote:
Old story, we sign players from other clubs that are decent, they play well when they 1st arrive only for us to train the good out of them.

Time after time after time.


zicoromaines wrote:
Willie Wallace, Joe Baker, Gordon Wallace (mks 1 & 2), Murray McDermott, Malky Robertson, Brin Cooper, just a few that come immediately to mind that signed and were not the same after training with us. It what you want to remember Scotty and you being anti manager this will not change your mind either. My outlook on the Rovers though. Wink


zicoromaines wrote:
So Scotty and Embow you mis-read my post. Scotty you were going on about signing a good player and making them bad. I gave you a few examples of the opposite.

Confused

Absolutely no mention of them getting better playing for us!
And following on from scotty's post it reads as if these are chosen to illustrate his point.
I rest my case, m'lud!


Am I missing something? Surely Mssrs "Willie Wallace, Joe Baker, Gordon Wallace (mks 1 & 2), Murray McDermott, Malky Robertson, Brin Cooper" Rovers ledgends all were examples of players who did well with us though?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scotty wrote:
Vinnie wrote:
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Disliked and deemed disruptive by both Munro and Nicol who wouldn't play him, seem to recall he had a much better time of it in the Premier league when he left us.


If I remember rightly he was virtually always a stand out playing against us prior to signing him and did we not pay something like 200 k for his services?

Again if my memory serves me right,were Dundee no after him but he refused to leave and chose to sit in the stand at Starks twiddling his thumbs?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scotty wrote:
embow wrote:
scotty wrote:
Old story, we sign players from other clubs that are decent, they play well when they 1st arrive only for us to train the good out of them.

Time after time after time.


zicoromaines wrote:
Willie Wallace, Joe Baker, Gordon Wallace (mks 1 & 2), Murray McDermott, Malky Robertson, Brin Cooper, just a few that come immediately to mind that signed and were not the same after training with us. It what you want to remember Scotty and you being anti manager this will not change your mind either. My outlook on the Rovers though. Wink


zicoromaines wrote:
So Scotty and Embow you mis-read my post. Scotty you were going on about signing a good player and making them bad. I gave you a few examples of the opposite.

Confused

Absolutely no mention of them getting better playing for us!
And following on from scotty's post it reads as if these are chosen to illustrate his point.
I rest my case, m'lud!


Am I missing something? Surely Mssrs "Willie Wallace, Joe Baker, Gordon Wallace (mks 1 & 2), Murray McDermott, Malky Robertson, Brin Cooper" Rovers ledgends all were examples of players who did well with us though?

You're missing nothing, scotty.
They all did well or better with us.
It's the way that zico jumped in and chose these examples which are the opposite to your original post about players regressing when coming to us from elsewhere.
I'm merely trying to point out where he has failed in his reply to you and in his excuse of why he chose them. In my eyes failed on both accounts. Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I well remember the wee rat having a horror show against Motherwell in a 5-1 mauling at starks.......... don't think he ever played for us again after that
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