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red zebra · Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:28 am Post subject: Euan Murray - disappointed

Another interview with a Rovers player saying they were disappointed with the way they played and they want to turn it round. How many times will we hear this? https://www.fifetoday.co.uk/sport/football/raith-rovers/euan-aims-for-a-raith-response-1-4788182

I do sometimes feel sorry for the players as they seem to be stuck with this rigid 4-4-2 that BS plays and will not change.
He had the opportunity to move things round on Saturday but left two guys on the bench rather than try and switch it up a bit.
I see no reason why we can't play with 3 at the back for a change, Murray and McKay certainly have the pace to cover.

I think we will hear the same message from players quite often, purely down to the managers lack of tactical acumen and his unwillingness to change things, we are too easy to play against.
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scotty · Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 8815 Location: Almost Dysart.

Old story, we sign players from other clubs that are decent, they play well when they 1st arrive only for us to train the good out of them.

Time after time after time.
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zicoromaines · Joined: 25 Jul 2008 Posts: 7609

Willie Wallace, Joe Baker, Gordon Wallace (mks 1 & 2), Murray McDermott, Malky Robertson, Brin Cooper, just a few that come immediately to mind that signed and were not the same after training with us. It what you want to remember Scotty and you being anti manager this will not change your mind either. My outlook on the Rovers though. Wink

embow · Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:07 pm Post subject:

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zicoromaines · Joined: 25 Jul 2008 Posts: 7609

So Scotty and Embow you mis-read my post. Scotty you were going on about signing a good player and making them bad. I gave you a few examples of the opposite. I will give you one that you may remember as being a good example for your argument Kenny McDonald, another is that little gingerheaded waste of money we bought from Airdrie. All I am trying to say for every bad one there is sometimes a good ones. Davie McGurn, Ewan Murray, Ian McLeod, Jock McStay, Mark Campbell, Bene till his injury over the years yes we have signed duffers but you have to admit we have signed some crackers. Laughing

Vinnie · Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 10:55 am Post subject:

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scotty · Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 8815 Location: Almost Dysart.

Sorry Bill but I dispute your last argument on all six counts.

Davie McGurn, was already a fine keeper when he arrived at us...he stayed good we didn't improve him.
Ewan Murray, again a decent player but nothing startling and have we improved him into a better player now than he was with his previous clubs?
Ian McLeod, stalwart at Raith as he was at Falkirk and with Motherwell before that when they won the 1st Div that midweek night at Starks Park in the 80's. He was good when he came and he stayed just as good.
Mark Campbell, solid at Ayr as he was with us, did he really get better with us? Or was it just that with Marv alongside they were a brilliant partnership (seem to recall he wasn't so great with Lumsden!!)
Bene. Did well as a youngster at Dee, was decent under McKinnon (as were just about everyone else) but other than the 1st few games last season where he was immense he hasn't really made it as we all hoped he would. He played SPL with Dee now he's toiling in Div 1.

I'd like to give you Jock McStay as a correct example but I can't. He was only a youth at Motherwell who Frank Connor made into a very good Right Back, Nicol helped make him even better not worse that's true. There for he wasn't a "good player who we improved" just a youth we developed as he matured.
Oh and for the record Bill both McStay and McLeod were 30 years ago, not just a season ago!
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embow · Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:47 am Post subject:

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Armagh Rover · Joined: 25 Jul 2008 Posts: 5398 Location: Nottinghamshire

I well remember the wee rat having a horror show against Motherwell in a 5-1 mauling at starks.......... don't think he ever played for us again after that