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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The monthly meeting between the supporters groups - well isn't that what the Forum is for?

as for discussing ideas in the pub pre-match: well, we do this already but doing it 'formally' is a terrible idea in my opinon - this is time allocated for drinking and enjoying ourselves with our pals and not worry about the Rovers' financial crisis.

Official supporters club have been approached in the past about doing combined events with us. Official supporters club not interested, which is fair enough as they have history and tradition they want to keep up. Quite simply, people align with different groups because they have different ideas of how things should work and expectations of matchdays. I used to travel on the supporters bus, a very, very different experience than travelling with Fife's Finest. I won't criticise them, it just wasn't for me. I have also in the past been on the forum and been involved in fundraising groups and they have been pretty soul destroying experiences and there have been many things I have been unhappy about with the way these have been run - however I respect the people who are involved in the forum and am not one to run to the internet and 'dish the dirt' on what goes on behind the scenes so would hope people respect that we have our reasons.

Also perhaps remember that Fife's Finest are a group of around 25/30 pals who want to travel together and not a free-for-all; no constituation, no membership scheme, just good pals drinking and travelling together. Very similar to the MacGregors bus. We are not official supporters groups because we don't need to be and don't want to be. Of the 30-odd members of Fife's Finest, most things are done by the same 4 or 5 people all the time, we don't have an army of people ready and willing to get their nose to the grind. Discussing ideas with other supporters groups inevitably ends up with the same few people expected to do everything - me, Quinny, James Proctor, Andy Mill, Eddie Doig. . . . . same names time and again

Just wish people would actually take action themselves than tell other people what they should be doing with their free time. There are a lot of people with opinions, but very few who are actually willing to drive things themselves, it's all about what other people should do Rolling Eyes

The other thing I would like to know is, what exactly are these ideas that all supporters groups could get involved in for the greater benefit? The cominbed race-night idea was bobmed out; not one official supporters group put a team into the Fife's Finest 7s this year; Rock the Rovers seems to be doing okay which is Quinny & Fife's Finest. So maybe some groups just aren't interested. I can't recall any events we've been asked to get involved in that we've turned down.

Fair enough, I completely agree about the differences in the groups which is why in my opinion 1 combined group is not practical.
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing is, it shouldn't even be about supporters 'groups'. The framework should be in place whereby everyone can get involved. There are more Raith fans not affiliated with supporters groups than those who are, so put the onus on them and not the 20 or so guys who travel together on the same bus all the time.
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree fully Soundwave.

I've always thought that all Rovers fans should be involved and not just Fans Groups. There must be some individual fans and friends that must feel a bit peeved at their exclusion when they will have something to offer.

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I appreciate it's easier to co-ordinate activity through supporters groups. however I am and was always opposed to the Forum being a closed shop - which was one of the key factors in Fife's Finest's withdrawl. You shouldn't need to pay a 5 membership fee to have your ideas listened to or be allowed to run an event endorsed and supported by the club - which was a condition put in place by the forum when it was initiated; for me this goes against the spirit of 'Reclaim the Rovers' which put the framework in place for all to contribute.

I understand why the forum is run the way it is and respect those who are involved, but it doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

On the other hand, there does seem to be a lack of 'fresh blood' as most of the work inevitable falls to the same few people, who happen to be affiliated with specific groups. I appreciate it must be daunting for people who are unfamiliar with the current setup and 'regime' - however, everyone has to start somewhere and we were all there once!

It's a self defeating cycle - time and time again there have been calls for people to get involved, and very few people actually do - which inadvertantly reinforces why it's a closed shop. If you invite people and nobody turns up then they can't really complain, can they?

It's just ashame that we can't have a combined fundraising group/forum instead of 2 separate entities as from my experience there have been a lot of ideas generated from outiwth the 'usual' individuals
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