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Is Scottish football value for money?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:48 pm    Post subject: Is Scottish football value for money? Reply with quote

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7951928.stm

Do you think that Scottish Football is currently value for money?

The quote about continuing to provide value for money had me smiling. Some of the games i've seen this season have been utter keech. I often think that, in our case, £14 could be better spent. Unfortunately i'm hooked now. How much is admission to a first division game? If it's £17, I would question whether the football on display is worth that amount.

From the article:

"Fans are going to be faced with some hard choices in the next few years - we have to convince them that they will continue to get value for money,"

"Anyone who thinks that clubs won't be affected by this is kidding themselves," said a First Division chairman.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

£14 in my opinion is too much for the Second Division but if that is what I have to pay to support my team then I am happy to pay it
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no its not value for money but ill continue to pay it because i cant stand missing games
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is £25 to see Scotland good value?

outside of football.
Is paying £7 to see a film value?
Is the pick & Mix Value For Money ?


What really is VFM in this age?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scotty wrote:
Is £25 to see Scotland good value?

outside of football.
Is paying £7 to see a film value?
Is the pick & Mix Value For Money ?


What really is VFM in this age?


In answer to your questions.

£25 to see Scotland appears to be decent value for money. Supposedly the best Scottish footballers about at the minute, playing the best another country has to offer, in a game that doesn't come around very often. £25, only £9 more than the Rovers doesn't seem that expensive.

£7 to see a film, or 2 4 1, so £3.50 on Orange Wednesdays, seems fine.

Pick and Mix or any foodstuffs at the cinema are a complete rip off.

£14 to watch poor football doesn't seem great, £16/£17 for first division footie is getting daft. Some form of misplaced loyalty sees me paying it. I would like my team to try and play passing (mainly on the ground) football. That way, when we blow it, I would at least feel like I had seen some decent footie.

Edit: Nobody has picked me up yet! Besides being a serial ranter, I also seem to have trouble counting. Embarassed That should be £11.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scottish football is dreadful, lacks talent, lacks players with basic skills as well as that bit special, the "tanner ba" style of skills Scottish football players were world renowned for.

Scottish football organisations are also appalling.

Its bowff!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This pricing structure is approximately how much I think Scottish footie in general is worth.

Scottish international games - £25 to £20

SPL - £20 to £15

1st Division - £15 to £10

2nd Division - £10 to £7.50

3rd Division - £7.50 to £5
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The prices for admission to Scottish Football are way too high. The way things are going i'm not going to be able afford to renew my season ticket and will have to pick and choose games next season, no matter what division we are in. It should be £10 maximum, no matter what league we are in next year!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scary Bear wrote:
This pricing structure is approximately how much I think Scottish footie in general is worth.

Scottish international games - £25 to £20

SPL - £20 to £15

1st Division - £15 to £10

2nd Division - £10 to £7.50

3rd Division - £7.50 to £5


Scary aye i would say that sounds about right.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reasonable prices I'd agree but as has been proved in the past it would not mean that more punters would come to games.

A relegated Stranraer with gates of less than 300 could not survive on around £3k a month and neither would would many others. It'd be the death knell for many clubs.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry guys but I cannot fathom this take on perceived value for money.
Not so long ago we (The Rovers) were on the brink and the view wasn't very pretty! We took the very wise decision to forsake a big squad with arguably (potentially) the best quality small squad in the league. Many of us still complain about this "quality". The latest reports suggest that the where we led the rest are to follow by reducing the number of players in their squads. We have easily the biggest crowds in this league and many weeks bigger than 1st division, however we tend to have a hard core support of around 1500 - I don't see that change much even if you reduced to £10 and even then the hard core would need to increase to 2100 just to break even. Sorry again guys, that just ain't gonna happen. £10 entry will buy you Divsion 3 players at best or bankrupcy at worst.

Just for the hell of it, can I ask how many of you think 5 pints of heavy (ca £14) is better value?

If we want to see winning silky smooth football every week we are unlikely to find it in the second division unless we pay even higher gate money or clone ourselves into one of the Gretnas of old - I don't think so.

If we didn't have the debt legacy to service perhaps we could spare more for players (rather than reduce gate prices), but reducing the gate price and keeping the same "quality" wouldn't solve the problem.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent post
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Alex wrote:
Sorry guys but I cannot fathom this take on perceived value for money.
Not so long ago we (The Rovers) were on the brink and the view wasn't very pretty! We took the very wise decision to forsake a big squad with arguably (potentially) the best quality small squad in the league. Many of us still complain about this "quality". The latest reports suggest that the where we led the rest are to follow by reducing the number of players in their squads. We have easily the biggest crowds in this league and many weeks bigger than 1st division, however we tend to have a hard core support of around 1500 - I don't see that change much even if you reduced to £10 and even then the hard core would need to increase to 2100 just to break even. Sorry again guys, that just ain't gonna happen. £10 entry will buy you Divsion 3 players at best or bankrupcy at worst.

Just for the hell of it, can I ask how many of you think 5 pints of heavy (ca £14) is better value?

If we want to see winning silky smooth football every week we are unlikely to find it in the second division unless we pay even higher gate money or clone ourselves into one of the Gretnas of old - I don't think so.

If we didn't have the debt legacy to service perhaps we could spare more for players (rather than reduce gate prices), but reducing the gate price and keeping the same "quality" wouldn't solve the problem.


Quality and value for money is a hard thing to define, as it's very much an individual's perspective. I don't regard many aspects of Scottish football as quality or value for money. However, i'll always go to the Rovers and pay what they want as I'm a mug punter and I love the Rovers. I don't travel to many away games now, as in general, I can't be bothered and it makes no difference to the Rovers finances.

The crowds thing is a bit of a red herring. The crowds will never rise significantly unless we're in the SPL. We've been in the 2nd Division for 4 seasons now and the crowds have held up well compared to our seasons in the 1st Division.

I would go to the Rovers no matter what league we are in, even if we dropped to the 3rd Division. The quality is poor (not much poorer than us) but we can't get relegated past the 3rd Division, so why not just pay less, concentrate on teaching young players (who can still be taught) to be more techically competent players, and turn a profit. When contracts run out, then renegotiate them. If the skill moves on then hopefully we have some more being coached who can come in.

Big Alex wrote:

If we want to see winning silky smooth football every week we are unlikely to find it in the second division unless we pay even higher gate money or clone ourselves into one of the Gretnas of old - I don't think so.


If we pay these players more money, it's unlikely they will discover how to play silky football? Coaching is the key, money just keeps the skill at your club. I don't see much skill in the first place. By all accounts the first division is honking too. In fact the general style of Scottish football is rank rotten. Even the Old Firm, who have the best players, are genertally rotten to watch when I catch them on TV. That's indicative of the Scottish 'style' of play. The question is 'how do you change a nations style off play?'. I very much doubt that the Largs mafia have the answer.

I don't see the clubs reducing prices, but I wouldn't agree with them that the football i'm watching is good or value for money.

Some say that's negative, I see it as realistic. I believe my eyes rather than what the papers say. Scottish football is poor viewing.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i was an avid raith fan in the 80s and 90s but have stopped going, i started following a team from another sport mainly because i felt the value for money was poor, although i maybe go to raith 3-4 times per seson now i cannot justify going every weeek because of the standard on offer+ the expense. i really hope raith win the division 2 this season but fear the re will be a price hike again Confused
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Price hikes are a sad inevitability of the times (past & present)

Looking at some on-line sites tonight I see that you can still get a ticket (and it is only for the ticket!) to see;
Spurs v Cheski £250
or
Bolton v W Brom £150

Those prices are of course through agencies but I have been informed that at St James Park is £54 for a seat behind the goal at the Sir John Hall end.

VFM? I wouldn't say so personally but at around £500 for the season ticket it starts to look a bit better.

Perhaps £14 to see RRFC isn't so bad, at least you have an unrestricted veiw from a covered seat unlike many other venues.
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