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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinky wrote:
Just be on the bbc report of the game and it gives the player of the match to Kieran Mitchell. Fair play to the lad - I’m delighted for him, but……… Confused Confused


Never put a foot wrong, to be fair.
Two impeccable minutes.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can’t fault our efforts today!

Celtic and rangers beaten by Kilmarnock. Kilmarnock beaten by us. Makes us best in scotland
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great day out with my pals with a burger to finish at Forrestors in Portobello. Brown was magnificent today and will be the key player for us this season in that performance. Action packed for the most part. Smith a handful for any defence. Hibs shaded it but proud to be a Rovers supporter today - well done team and supporters.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well that was a frustrating game!! Left with a feeling of " what might have been". But we can't concede from a corner and fail to keep it tight immediately after scoring and expect to beat a team from a higher league, to agree with SG.
I was sitting pretty close to the Hibs' goal but undecided if LV might have done better when he hit the post. He does get praise later for winning the ball and feeding Callum Smith to score though.
I would give our MotM to Scott Brown. What a difference he makes to our team.
Optimistic for our game against the Pars, although Scott McGill ( or whatever stand in
LB we field ) will be targeted at EEP.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wellyboot wrote:
Can’t fault our efforts today!

Celtic and rangers beaten by Kilmarnock. Kilmarnock beaten by us. Makes us best in scotland

Not quite sure that's how it works but, nonetheless, absolutely rock solid logic!😂😂👏👏🤜🤛👍
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had an email this evening from my good friend, Tom Wright, who has been the Hibs historian for years. He's been a weel kent face around Easter Road for many years.
I've copied his comments on the game and posted them below for your perusal.

Was at the game today and although Hibs won in the end Raith put on a good show, an opinion I think that was shared by many of the home support.

Again according to most of the Hibs supporters I spoke to at the end the Red card for high feet was extremely harsh as there was no malice in it merely a misjudgement, but that is probably a sign of the modern game.

However your lads played well, never at any time resorting to long balls and attempted to play football at all times.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty much sums it up Embow, never a red card and we pretty much matched Hibs over the piece. Had Lewis scored instead of hitting the post and Gullan squared it to Ross instead of trying to put the ball past 2 Hibs players, who knows. Looks like we lost 2 soft goals from our end, but need to see the highlights to see how bad they were. Difficult to tell.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Long time fan wrote:
Pretty much sums it up Embow, never a red card and we pretty much matched Hibs over the piece. Had Lewis scored instead of hitting the post and Gullan squared it to Ross instead of trying to put the ball past 2 Hibs players, who knows. Looks like we lost 2 soft goals from our end, but need to see the highlights to see how bad they were. Difficult to tell.


Goal one is poor marking on the corner. Big Kev is trying to push out, but is blocked by two players (one of each), and can’t get out clear so squares to try to defend the goal, but the header is well placed,

Goal two is Dick allowing the attacker to get inside him. Then the shooter beats Watson five hole, which means Big Kev is unsighted, and he’s beaten five hole as well, although he almost stopped it.

Vaughan’s shot off the post is deflected on the cross and perhaps that messed up his shot? Smith’s goal was class, not high power, but away from the keepers momentum and low.Gullan’s failure to pass was another of the small margins. This cup is, as almost always, now the only top level teams competing…and we came pretty darn close.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Missed chance today but cold light of day we need to appreciate that we are an aspiring 2nd tier side who are still trying to gel and without several key players playing at at very good Premiership side.

However…

Vaughan HAS to score

That opener…come on, 6’6 Keeper, not to mention our four defenders all over 6ft yet a corner is floated in to the six yard box for goodness sake on to attackers head :/

The red card should be appealed. Attacker is on blind side, dips his head in, Dick is making an honest attempt to play the ball. Could it be a yellow? Probably, never a red though.

Anyway, decent showing, a few quid raised…let’s get full focus on the league…and sorting out the indecisive defending!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

StarksBarmy wrote:
That opener…come on, 6’6 Keeper, not to mention our four defenders all over 6ft yet a corner is floated in to the six yard box for goodness sake on to attackers head :/


If you listened to IM, it was a failure to get a heid on the baw. He specifically mentioned Big Kev was blocked from coming out off his line to play the ball and no one went up with the two Hibs attackers.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would be interesting to know what the “ brief” is regards corners.

Some keepers tend to stay on/ close to their line, others are happy to come for the ball.

From what I have observed it is the former.

Is this team orders?
Personally, I would have thought the defenders are split between looking at the ball and also watching who they are marking whilst the keeper has an excellent view of the ball coming in.
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PS. Forgot to mention, keepers have long arms with hands on the end......doesn’t that give them some sort of advantage to catch/ punch.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cuparman wrote:
Would be interesting to know what the “ brief” is regards corners.

Some keepers tend to stay on/ close to their line, others are happy to come for the ball.

From what I have observed it is the former.

Is this team orders?
Personally, I would have thought the defenders are split between looking at the ball and also watching who they are marking whilst the keeper has an excellent view of the ball coming in.
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PS. Forgot to mention, keepers have long arms with hands on the end......doesn’t that give them some sort of advantage to catch/ punch.


I think it might simply come down to the Keeper's size Cuparman.

One thing is certain. If he leaves his goal line to intercept a cross he MUST either catch the ball, resulting in the end of that specific attacking move, or deliver a very strong punch sending the ball well away from the goal. If he fails to connect with the ball, he ends up stranded away from his goal line leaving no one there to effectively stop a shot, and that's a disaster.

I understood Jaimie MacDonald's reticence to come out because although he wasn't a midget, he did not have the height of Big Kev and therefore may have found himself in that unwelcome stranded position. However as you point out, Kev is a lot bigger and this should be one of his acquired skills. I say acquired, because this takes a lot of practice. He needs to have a great sense of spacial awareness to enable him to judge the flight of the ball, and his own timing to arrive at the ball whilst it is still too high for a striker to connect, but not so high that he himself misses the ball even with outstretched arms and hands. This skill, when practiced can be acquired. For a Keeper of Kev's height this is not a should have skill, rather a must have.

I found myself a wee bit disappointed with the game yesterday. However I was wrong. I guess I was caught up in the expectation our team would do well because we had been doing well. Listening to IM's post match interview however I clicked back to reality when he pointed out the cost of their two strikers alone was £1,200,000. When you think about it, that had to be part of yesterday's reality in that we were beaten by a far superior team, and we ought to be proud our guys managed to keep that defeat down to only one goal.

So I have changed my mind. Well done Lads. Just well done!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TxRover wrote:
StarksBarmy wrote:
That opener…come on, 6’6 Keeper, not to mention our four defenders all over 6ft yet a corner is floated in to the six yard box for goodness sake on to attackers head :/


If you listened to IM, it was a failure to get a heid on the baw. He specifically mentioned Big Kev was blocked from coming out off his line to play the ball and no one went up with the two Hibs attackers.


So basically he admits it’s awful defending all round?

Set pieces are such a huge part in football, we are a full time professional club, let’s hope we are using our time and resources (such as our keeper coach) on this kind of thing becoming a rarity.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The view from behind the Hibs' goal confirms that Marshall didn't get near Josh Mullins' wicked cross ball, Lewis's shot hit the post. The shot was firmly struck ( LV didn't scaff it) so he was unlucky. He did hit it with the outside of his right foot, obviously he must have been more comfortable doing that than using his left foot. I can't think but that a left footed player would have scored. The aftermath shots of Lewis suggest that he felt that he expected to score.
Overall I thought that LV played well ,firstly on the left side of the attack combining with Liam Dick ( although the absence of Jack Hamilton meant they had to play low balls into the box) and thereafter when he moved inside ,including creating the Raith goal from a combination of harrying and a neat layoff to Callum Smith.
It's great that we now have a number of options in forward areas and LV is one that we are privileged to have. But will IM give him the opportunity to be the matchwinner on Saturday?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the club are considering appealing the red card, they should buy a copy of today's Courier, or better still, speak nicely to their photographer, as there's a photo which clearly shows Dick having his jersey pulled by the Hibs player as he attempts to clear.
I'm neither a physicist nor a professional footballer, but there's no way that the jersey pull wouldn't have affected his balance and the trajectory of his leg and foot as he stretched.
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