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scotty
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6'5" and couldn't catch a cross if his life depended on it.
Yes he's a big guy, yes he's a good shot stopper and yes he's a big character.
But is he a good goalkeeper?
He needs to start to use his height to command his area or his next gig will be somewhere like East Fife.
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TxRover
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| scotty wrote: | 6'5" and couldn't catch a cross if his life depended on it.
Yes he's a big guy, yes he's a good shot stopper and yes he's a big character.
But is he a good goalkeeper?
He needs to start to use his height to command his area or his next gig will be somewhere like East Fife. |
He generally punches, and as the Oh No No No Podcast remarked, Gaston was punching all night because he knew the conditions. Big Kev is an inexperienced keeper overall, and is being coached to try to improve his performances, but he made a bad decision Friday night, compounded by weather and poor positioning. He failed to attack the cross when he came out for it, and rather waited for it to come to him. That allowed the attacker to beat him to the ball. He will learn from that and improve…36 games with us of a grand total of 101 professional games and his first run as a number one. I think people are being overly harsh on a developing player. |
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wellyboot
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He was disappointing against the Lichties but how many points has he saved us this season? Yes, he is raw but there is potential there and working under Robbie can surely only improve his game
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Cuparman
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| Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| wellyboot wrote: | | He was disappointing against the Lichties but how many points has he saved us this season? Yes, he is raw but there is potential there and working under Robbie can surely only improve his game |
I deliberately left Kev out regards criticism purely coz regardless of the consequences of his ability with high balls, he has undoubtedly, saved us quite a few points up until this capitulation.
Doesn’t mean he gonna continue to get off lightly by myself. But the defeat was more down to pathetic football ability of the outfield players.
I would love to know wether they were made to watch the whole match from beginning to end , with only stopping the replay when discussing where all the faults occurred.
Granted it would have taken up about two full days.........but you cannae say it wiznae me boss, when it is there in front of you.
There are times when you have to force the truth down someone’s throat in order for learning to take place.
Simply coughing up to a bad day at the office teaches nobody anything about collective and individual responsibility. 
PS. Imo, they really need to work on keeping the ball from our own throw ins.
Far too often we go from having possession to losing it in the blink of an eye.
Throw to someone’s feet who has nobody stood next to him......Jesus, it kiddies coaching, not difficult 
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StarksBarmy
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The whole goalkeeping situation is a strange one to me.
Is Robbie Thomson a real goalkeeping coach? Or is it just a title bestowed upon him as our senior 2nd/3rd choice goalkeeper?
He wasn’t/isn’t that good a goalkeeper, hopping around the lower leagues, not being kept on anywhere for more than a season says plenty.
What are his qualifications to coach others? It can’t really come from experience as he has very little at any sort of decent level.
Is Dabrowski improving? I’d like to think so but it isn’t obvious to the eye and while he is inexperienced in terms of 1st team football, he is no youngster.
His reflex shot stopping has never been in question, for me though, the rest of his game still is and that is a constant worry.
Would I have preferred Jamie MacDonald between the sticks again this season? Absolutely |
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red zebra
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| StarksBarmy wrote: | The whole goalkeeping situation is a strange one to me.
Is Robbie Thomson a real goalkeeping coach? Or is it just a title bestowed upon him as our senior 2nd/3rd choice goalkeeper?
He wasn’t/isn’t that good a goalkeeper, hopping around the lower leagues, not being kept on anywhere for more than a season says plenty.
What are his qualifications to coach others? It can’t really come from experience as he has very little at any sort of decent level.
Is Dabrowski improving? I’d like to think so but it isn’t obvious to the eye and while he is inexperienced in terms of 1st team football, he is no youngster.
His reflex shot stopping has never been in question, for me though, the rest of his game still is and that is a constant worry.
Would I have preferred Jamie MacDonald between the sticks again this season? Absolutely |
As far as I am aware, Robbie holds his UEFA A Licence only one below the Pro licence which is the top qualification, don't forget there are a lot of very good coaches and managers out there that did not have glittering careers as players and he is very well respected throughout Scotland for his coaching.
As the saying goes you can't make a silk purse out of a pigs ear, having said that, Dabrowski is about 10 years younger than MacDonald and it is usually accepted that goalkeepers take longer to reach their peak, so he is going to make mistakes however, with regular game time and good coaching he should improve. He is certainly not the worst 'keeper we have had at Starks
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stan drew rover
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| StarksBarmy wrote: | The whole goalkeeping situation is a strange one to me.
Is Robbie Thomson a real goalkeeping coach? Or is it just a title bestowed upon him as our senior 2nd/3rd choice goalkeeper?
He wasn’t/isn’t that good a goalkeeper, hopping around the lower leagues, not being kept on anywhere for more than a season says plenty.
What are his qualifications to coach others? It can’t really come from experience as he has very little at any sort of decent level.
Is Dabrowski improving? I’d like to think so but it isn’t obvious to the eye and while he is inexperienced in terms of 1st team football, he is no youngster.
His reflex shot stopping has never been in question, for me though, the rest of his game still is and that is a constant worry.
Would I have preferred Jamie MacDonald between the sticks again this season? Absolutely |
Yes, Robbie is a proper coach, and no, I can't agree that keeping Macdonald would have been preferable to taking on Dabrovski. For all Jamie was great for us, his agecwas/is catching up with him, not as agile as he used to be. Note that he's not a regular for Morton these days.
By contrast, Kevin is young and improving, so for my money, the better long term bet. We may find better options still for next season or the one after, but no guarantees. So I'm happy for now that the club has an excellent GK coach, a strong backup keeper, and a developing first choice |
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StarksBarmy
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Wasn’t aware Robbie had coached before or actually held any licences RZ, that’s me telt!
Regards MacDonald SDR, while my previous post sounds a bit scathing towards Big Kev, he isn’t close to the worst keepers I’ve seen in a rovers jersey but I’d still rather have a MacDonald 7.5/10 every game in a title battle than Dabrowski who is a 10/10 one week then a 3/10 the next |
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red zebra
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| Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2024 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| StarksBarmy wrote: | Wasn’t aware Robbie had coached before or actually held any licences RZ, that’s me telt!
Regards MacDonald SDR, while my previous post sounds a bit scathing towards Big Kev, he isn’t close to the worst keepers I’ve seen in a rovers jersey but I’d still rather have a MacDonald 7.5/10 every game in a title battle than Dabrowski who is a 10/10 one week then a 3/10 the next |
Quick google got his linkdn page at https://www.linkedin.com/in/robbie-thomson-18b0b6116/?originalSubdomain=uk
He also represented Scotland at age groups up to U21
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badpress139
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Came across an interesting stat this morning. It was a chart of the top 10 teams within the SPFL in relation to clean sheets.
1. Butland - Sevco - 17
2. Jamieson - Stenny - 15
3. Walton - Utd - 14
5. Long - Falkirk - 9.
All teams currently sitting top of their respective leagues. Whilst achieving a clean sheet is almost as much on the defence as it is on the keeper, it shows if you are going to win a league then you really need it tight at the back.
Not sure what our clean sheet record like is within the league but I'm guessing it's only around 3 or 4 maybe. Off the top of my head, pars x 2 and Utd? |
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Wolfman Jack
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| badpress139 wrote: | Came across an interesting stat this morning. It was a chart of the top 10 teams within the SPFL in relation to clean sheets.
1. Butland - Sevco - 17
2. Jamieson - Stenny - 15
3. Walton - Utd - 14
5. Long - Falkirk - 9.
All teams currently sitting top of their respective leagues. Whilst achieving a clean sheet is almost as much on the defence as it is on the keeper, it shows if you are going to win a league then you really need it tight at the back.
Not sure what our clean sheet record like is within the league but I'm guessing it's only around 3 or 4 maybe. Off the top of my head, pars x 2 and Utd? |
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Cuparman
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| Wolfman Jack wrote: | | badpress139 wrote: | Came across an interesting stat this morning. It was a chart of the top 10 teams within the SPFL in relation to clean sheets.
1. Butland - Sevco - 17
2. Jamieson - Stenny - 15
3. Walton - Utd - 14
5. Long - Falkirk - 9.
All teams currently sitting top of their respective leagues. Whilst achieving a clean sheet is almost as much on the defence as it is on the keeper, it shows if you are going to win a league then you really need it tight at the back.
Not sure what our clean sheet record like is within the league but I'm guessing it's only around 3 or 4 maybe. Off the top of my head, pars x 2 and Utd? |
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| Quote: | Kevin Dabrowski
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https://spfl.co.uk/stats-centre |
VERY interesting reading on those stats.
Gonna try to keep that “ page” around so I can continue to look at all those stats as matches/ weeks go by.
THANKS VERY MUCH.
Strongly advise others to take a look.
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red zebra
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| badpress139 wrote: | Came across an interesting stat this morning. It was a chart of the top 10 teams within the SPFL in relation to clean sheets.
1. Butland - Sevco - 17
2. Jamieson - Stenny - 15
3. Walton - Utd - 14
5. Long - Falkirk - 9.
All teams currently sitting top of their respective leagues. Whilst achieving a clean sheet is almost as much on the defence as it is on the keeper, it shows if you are going to win a league then you really need it tight at the back.
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And therein lies the problem, the same page shows that he is 2nd on how many saves he has had to make, clearly (as it has been to many of us for a long time) our defence isn't good enough
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Armagh Rover
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| Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Big Kev saves our bacon today and yet not a squeak, it's a funny old game right enough |
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Vinnie
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Didn,t see big K,s save due to a large steel pillar blocking my view but just watched the highlights,what a save.
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