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Changes to Stark's Park at Pratt Street Steps
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TxRover



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

happy days wrote:
In case you didn't know there were a few supporters had there ashes place there and I know of one family member who is extremely upset that this has happened. The ashes were placed there with the clubs permission. A sorry state of affairs by the club yet again. I wonder who was responsible for this to be given the go-ahead? Silence will probably be the answer.


Christ on fishhooks, what a mess! Tearing up something landscaped by volunteers and where the Club had permitted ashes scattered/placed. Since it was legal with the Clubís permission, to do this is just outrageous. I feel for the hard work by the volunteers, and I canít wait to hear where the dirt was hauled off toÖit will only get better, itís the Rovers wayÖ
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2022 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poor show RR.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A little addition to this John Sims father was a minister in the church. I think he wouldn't be happy with this.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hear the Rovers are used as a model case study in college courses on how to do PR..........or more accurately what not to do.

So good of the club to continue providing a constant stream of material for the students.

Sad really as the club does a lot of good things, like it's work for charities in the community. Just a damn shame it feels the need to continually shoot it's self in the foot every now and again.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder who had originally gave permission for ashes to be interned there and if they no longer work at the club did they leave some sort of message that that was the case?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Castle wrote:
I wonder who had originally gave permission for ashes to be interned there and if they no longer work at the club did they leave some sort of message that that was the case?
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3 of the current BoD were in situ when the last persons ashes were scattered including the stadium owner.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would that decision be made at board room level? I mean it may have been made by a director but would it have been made during a BoD meeting or communicated to everyone that it may concern that it had happened?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Castle wrote:
Would that decision be made at board room level? I mean it may have been made by a director but would it have been made during a BoD meeting or communicated to everyone that it may concern that it had happened?


Good question, would the decision to remove the banking and put a portacabin in have even been made at board room level?

Either way when the BoD's eventually were made aware, then at least 3 of them knew about the fact that there were supporters ashes scattered there.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd imagine that undertaking removing the banking and placing a portacabin there would have been at boardroom level (though maybe not because isn't the ownership of the ground a different entity than the club?)
Not sure that permission being sought to scatter ashes over that piece of land would have been discussed at boardroom level. Permission was sought and somebody gave it. Did that person then put procedures in place to make sure that the land was never disturbed? Perhaps something for this college PR course to discuss.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not wanting to seem cold hearted but I donít get the uproar regards ashes?

It is/was a little dirt hill with some shrubs and plants next to a road on Pratt Street.

It never was a memorial garden and was never described as such
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

StarksBarmy wrote:
Not wanting to seem cold hearted but I donít get the uproar regards ashes?

It is/was a little dirt hill with some shrubs and plants next to a road on Pratt Street.

It never was a memorial garden and was never described as such


exactly this....how many ashes have been scattered on football pitches across the decades that have subsequently been dug up and re-laid every now and then.....can't remember much furore tbh
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand the sentiment of those that have had family/friends ashes laid there.
To them it is sacrosanct land.

However, just as we have dug up ground for thousands of years, it was always gonna happen sometime.

That piece of land was not gonna be there for all eternity and people have to understand that , that is the case everywhere.

Again , I feel for those involved but realistically it was always going to happen eventually.

With the slope as it was and with wind and rain, in all likelihood those who were not actually buried within an Urn were probably gone.

Time does not stand still for anyone. Sad
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I understand it the reason for this work taking place is to replace several gabions which make up the retaining wall between Starkís Park and the garage next door. Over the years slight slippage has occurred and a couple of gabions are now impacting against the garage wall causing damage.
This area has been used in the past to scatter the ashes of supporters who have passed on. One supporter I know regularly leaves flowers in memory of her late father who was a long time Raith fan.
We do not have an official area set aside as a garden of remembrance which is something we could perhaps address in the future.
This garden area was left unattended and overgrown. I took it upon myself to tidy it up now and again but it really required the regular maintenance. Two volunteers took this on board and spent a huge amount of time and effort on the garden. They brought the Japanese knotweed under control. They created a path for easier access. They planted hundreds of bulbs and shrubs (at their own expense) and kept it free of weeds.
I think the issue here is the lack of communication from the club on when this work was to be carried out. A little prior warning would have allowed our volunteers time to rescue many of the plants and bulbs. It would have enabled those who have scattered ashes time to prepare for the changes taking place.
There were plans to site portakabins in this area but I donít think this is happening now. I hope that once the work is completed that it can be returned to its former glory perhaps including a garden of remembrance.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fireman sam wrote:
As I understand it the reason for this work taking place is to replace several gabions which make up the retaining wall between Starkís Park and the garage next door. Over the years slight slippage has occurred and a couple of gabions are now impacting against the garage wall causing damage.
This area has been used in the past to scatter the ashes of supporters who have passed on. One supporter I know regularly leaves flowers in memory of her late father who was a long time Raith fan.
We do not have an official area set aside as a garden of remembrance which is something we could perhaps address in the future.
This garden area was left unattended and overgrown. I took it upon myself to tidy it up now and again but it really required the regular maintenance. Two volunteers took this on board and spent a huge amount of time and effort on the garden. They brought the Japanese knotweed under control. They created a path for easier access. They planted hundreds of bulbs and shrubs (at their own expense) and kept it free of weeds.
I think the issue here is the lack of communication from the club on when this work was to be carried out. A little prior warning would have allowed our volunteers time to rescue many of the plants and bulbs. It would have enabled those who have scattered ashes time to prepare for the changes taking place.
There were plans to site portakabins in this area but I donít think this is happening now. I hope that once the work is completed that it can be returned to its former glory perhaps including a garden of remembrance.


Thank you for explaining this. I still feel it was poor form for the Club to act without some communication, but the necessary repairs explain the need, if not the speed.

The idea for a Garden of Remembrance is not a bad one, but requires careful planningÖas we have effectively seen.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fireman sam wrote:
As I understand it the reason for this work taking place is to replace several gabions which make up the retaining wall between Starkís Park and the garage next door. Over the years slight slippage has occurred and a couple of gabions are now impacting against the garage wall causing damage.
This area has been used in the past to scatter the ashes of supporters who have passed on. One supporter I know regularly leaves flowers in memory of her late father who was a long time Raith fan.
We do not have an official area set aside as a garden of remembrance which is something we could perhaps address in the future.
This garden area was left unattended and overgrown. I took it upon myself to tidy it up now and again but it really required the regular maintenance. Two volunteers took this on board and spent a huge amount of time and effort on the garden. They brought the Japanese knotweed under control. They created a path for easier access. They planted hundreds of bulbs and shrubs (at their own expense) and kept it free of weeds.
I think the issue here is the lack of communication from the club on when this work was to be carried out. A little prior warning would have allowed our volunteers time to rescue many of the plants and bulbs. It would have enabled those who have scattered ashes time to prepare for the changes taking place.
There were plans to site portakabins in this area but I donít think this is happening now. I hope that once the work is completed that it can be returned to its former glory perhaps including a garden of remembrance.


What's a gabion??
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