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embow · Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2022 7:18 pm Post subject:

That's me back in Edinburgh having been at the game.
Can't deny that the better team won on its second half performance.
I can see why we aren't getting much away from home. Too many players with an off day, misplaced passes, too much trying to keep possession which was just inviting Dundee to high press on to us. We were the better team for the first twenty minutes or so then Dundee changed things a wee bit which left McMullan running the show to a fair degree along with Robinson when he came on to a game.
Had we scored first with the early pressure and chances then it may have turned out different.
I'd have been wanting a penalty if it had been at the other end. No problems with the decision. It was unfortunate but that's the way of the modern game.
We then left ourselves open at the back and Jamie was unlucky that the rebound fell to a Dundee player who was first to react.
However there is a decent team in there and they cannot be faulted for effort. Just one or two too many off the boil today.
The young lad at centre half is absolute quality. For an 18/19 year old to hold his own at this level is excellent. He's going places in the game but alas, away from Starks Park on what I saw today.
Onwards and upwards next week at home to get back on the rails.
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Armagh Rover · Joined: 25 Jul 2008 Posts: 5490 Location: Nottinghamshire

Good honest report Embow, onwards and upwards

Vinnie · Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2022 7:48 pm Post subject:

We,ve only beaten two teams away from home and they are bottom and second bottom of the league and only taken 1 point from the others
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embow · Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:32 pm Post subject:

stan drew rover · Joined: 05 Jun 2017 Posts: 752 Location: Work it out!

As Embow states, we had to many players having an off-day today, and on top of that, every break of the ball seemed to run Dundee's way - not least the penalty. On the day, we were beaten by the better team, but I'm sure we'll bounce back.

One other point to watch though - we did get bullied off 5hings a bit today. For me, a starting slot needs to be found pronto for Ross Matthews. And, of course, if only we had a mobile strong presence up front....

Vinnie · Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2022 9:45 pm Post subject:

Northern_Rover · Joined: 15 Jul 2008 Posts: 2651 Location: Granite City

Until the striking problem is addressed / resolved I dont think we can improve from where we are at present. We cannot rely on our goals coming from midfield.

Today Dundee were always going to see alot of the ball at home. We had to be clinical with the half chances created in front of goal. In that regard we lacked any punch or composure when opportunities arose.

Alot of what has worked for us in recent weeks just didn't happen today. Stanton and Brown in particular were off it.

It appears that Fredriksen is not the answer I just cant so far see a footballer there so other than Vaughan hitting a rich vein of form I dont see where the goals are coming from if the midfield are not firing.

StarksBarmy · Joined: 03 Apr 2010 Posts: 3750

Not long in myself, bit of a damp squib after the promise of late.

Dundee deserved to win but, for want of a better expression, we made it easy for them.

On paper at least, this should be the hardest fixture we play over the season (title favourites/largest budget/largest support) so hopefully it’s a blip and we resume winning ways over the coming weeks.

Our away form really isn’t good. Is it mental belief? Manager instructions? I don’t know but it’s 11 v 11 on a football pitch after a couple of hours in a bus… not 8 hours in a plane in a different time zone, different climate with 50,000 home fans baying for blood which can explain away form in European completion for example…

Certainly a bit of a tweak needed here or there and go out to boss games like we have done at home lately…

CoachBombay · Joined: 14 Jul 2009 Posts: 403

I thought Dundee were better than us on Saturday but I don’t think it had to be that way. There’s guys in the starting 11 that although we’ve been winning, they’ve been passengers.

Easton scored a great goal the other week but other than that he keeps the ball too long and loses possession.

Brown’s hit and hope football a lot of the time loses us possession.

Connell gets bullied off the ball.

All three are capable of a good game but it’s too inconsistent. If you look across the team, it’s McGlynns signings that are carrying us. Sorry, but it’s true. The sooner Matthews and Vaughan are back in the team the better.
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CALDERON · Joined: 14 Jul 2008 Posts: 1705 Location: Aberdeenshire

We looked far, far poorer after Brown went off on Saturday. He had an off day, but everyone did. He's been very good this season.

The away form is brutal. 1 point from 18 gains teams not in the bottom 2 isn't good at all. Nor is the fact that we have lost 8 from 8 in games where we have went behind, scoring a total of 1 goal in the process.

There's a lot to like about the team Murray is building, and he has improved things vs what he came into - but if the 2 points above aren't addressed then its not going to be any more than mid table.

Much of the issue stems from the fact, again, that there doesn't appear to be a competent Championship centre forward.

Gary Parker · Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 11:40 am Post subject:

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Cuparman · Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 1572 Location: Irvine

I agree about Frederiksen.
Surely IM didn’t sign a player simply based on his 6’ 8”frame.
I believe he is not match fit for sure.
I saw him away at either Patrick or Hamilton, or was it Morton, in the flesh and the tactic that day was simply to pump high balls to him throughout.

If that’s not one dimensional, then I don’t know what is.
Simply getting your head to the ball is not suffice, it has to end up with another teammate.

I think this is a team which is learning as it plays, at least I hope so. Only time will tell about Frederiksen, he certainly needs game time.

Gotta sort out the away tactics. That’s IM job. Hopefully he will.

( it was 1 of those 3, as they are the only games we’ve got to) Rolling Eyes

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Neil M · Joined: 16 Aug 2008 Posts: 2376 Location: Aberdeen

Not sure there's any cause for panic about the away form. Admittedly, the whole team were under-par at Dens, but it is not typical of this side. Balmoral and Gayfield are not easy places to go and other good sides have taken less than a win at those grounds. Inverness is our bogey team and we still took a point up there. We only lost marginally away to Partick and Morton - and we have improved since then. I think we will come good in away games!

Heilan Rover · Joined: 24 Dec 2018 Posts: 453 Location: Lorient