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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Rovers web page has a feed for buying tickets but couldn't see a price for said articles.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tickets are priced as follows:

Adults £15 | Over 65 / Under 21 £10 | Under 16 £5
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Tam never saw the price list but there again me missing somethings not a new occurrence.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gary Parker wrote:
On the subject of tickets (loosely). First off, well done on passing 1200 tickets,

Pars announcing 2000 sold.
Genuine question folks as I'm a bit out of touch with things these days.
Is there that much of a difference in population between the two communities and surrounding areas that seems to produce bigger attendances at East End Park or indeed at Falkirk despite being a league lower down?
Or is it a socio economic influence? Lack of employment, relative affluence etc?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

embow wrote:
Gary Parker wrote:
On the subject of tickets (loosely). First off, well done on passing 1200 tickets,

Pars announcing 2000 sold.
Genuine question folks as I'm a bit out of touch with things these days.
Is there that much of a difference in population between the two communities and surrounding areas that seems to produce bigger attendances at East End Park or indeed at Falkirk despite being a league lower down?
Or is it a socio economic influence? Lack of employment, relative affluence etc?


Not really much of a population difference I'd say, I feel there is more apathy and malaise around the Rovers. We have a very dormant fan base and for a community club, it's not great when you're not getting the community interested. Even flirting with the top of the championship hasn't raised our average attendance so much. It's a shame
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't trust any figures coming out of East End.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks GP.
I see exactly where you're coming from Biggles but it's been the case for a long time now (decades in fact) that the Pars have had a larger core of home fans than the Rovers.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

embow wrote:
Gary Parker wrote:
On the subject of tickets (loosely). First off, well done on passing 1200 tickets,

Pars announcing 2000 sold.
Genuine question folks as I'm a bit out of touch with things these days.
Is there that much of a difference in population between the two communities and surrounding areas that seems to produce bigger attendances at East End Park or indeed at Falkirk despite being a league lower down?
Or is it a socio economic influence? Lack of employment, relative affluence etc?


I think there are literally dozens of plausible explanations, but a few may be:

1- Kirkcaldy has two professional sports teams to Dinfermline's one,
2- Dunfermline draw support from outwith their own natural catchment area e.g. Lochgelly, Cowdenbeath and even towards Alloa and Clackmannan (possibly stemming back to folk going to watch European football there in the 60s), whereas Rovers have never drawn a large number of fans from East Fife's or Cowdenbeath's catchment,
3- Dunfermline have always been, rightly or wrongly, perceived to be an ambitious club, whereas there are still significant numbers of clowns in Kirkcaldy who perpetually pedal the 'Rovers don't want to go up / Rovers can't afford to go up' nonsense,
4- Prior to the Germans coming in last year, Dunfermline have always been locally owned and therefore there might be more of a natural connection between club and fanbase, whereas over the last 25 years, Rovers have had owners from outwith Kirkcaldy (Kelly, McGowan etc).

1and 3 (maybe not so much 2 and 4) can also be applied to Falkirk, and all of the above can probably be applied to Kilmarnock, another town of similar population to Kirkcaldy, but with a substantially bigger core support.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers SG.
Makes perfect sense on all points.
As far as the Pars are concerned, I was always of the opinion that the changes started when Jock Stein stepped in the door of East End and further success followed with the appointment of Willie Cunningham. Fathers/Mothers took offspring to witness the glory years of the 1960's and extended families have remained loyal ever since.
Just my theory. Absolutely no facts to base it on.🥺
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Methinks the fife flyers have/had a fairly large number of supporters, and it’s rarely a boring non-event, given the type of sport that it is......if ya know what I mean. Wink

Pretty sure I read a few years ago that they were getting crowds around 1300-1500. Although that is simply a memory thing as this has been mentioned somewhere on fantalk before. Confused
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cuparman wrote:
Methinks the fife flyers have/had a fairly large number of supporters, and it’s rarely a boring non-event, given the type of sport that it is......if ya know what I mean. Wink

Pretty sure I read a few years ago that they were getting crowds around 1300-1500. Although that is simply a memory thing as this has been mentioned somewhere on fantalk before. Confused


The Flyers were getting skelped all over the place last season, I think that die-hards would have been less bored and more depressed.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just googled the Flyers, finished 10th of 10 last season, couldn’t even make 8th place for the coveted play-off spot Rolling Eyes

Wondered why I haven’t heard much about them lately!

I used to be really pi55ed off at the ‘dormant’ Rovers’ support which we have seen down the years is substantial in numbers when the occasion suites.

I am now one of them pretty much so can’t complain! Was home and away majority of games from the late 80’s til 2014/15, the dire offering from the last season under Grant Murray took something away from me and it never returned. Probably averaging about 10 games a season since, always expecting the past passion and ‘love’ to return but it hasn’t yet…

Can only speak for myself but once you properly fall off the horse kind of thing, it’s hard to get back on.

Disregarding numbers from along road, I think 1200 and counting is a decent amount for us, few months ago after signing Goodwillie, predictions from some were of us playing in front sub 1000 home fans as we drop down the league system, thankfully we are moving on in (hopefully) the right direction..
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Specky Ginger wrote:
embow wrote:
Gary Parker wrote:
On the subject of tickets (loosely). First off, well done on passing 1200 tickets,

Pars announcing 2000 sold.
Genuine question folks as I'm a bit out of touch with things these days.
Is there that much of a difference in population between the two communities and surrounding areas that seems to produce bigger attendances at East End Park or indeed at Falkirk despite being a league lower down?
Or is it a socio economic influence? Lack of employment, relative affluence etc?


I think there are literally dozens of plausible explanations, but a few may be:

1- Kirkcaldy has two professional sports teams to Dinfermline's one,
2- Dunfermline draw support from outwith their own natural catchment area e.g. Lochgelly, Cowdenbeath and even towards Alloa and Clackmannan (possibly stemming back to folk going to watch European football there in the 60s), whereas Rovers have never drawn a large number of fans from East Fife's or Cowdenbeath's catchment,
3- Dunfermline have always been, rightly or wrongly, perceived to be an ambitious club, whereas there are still significant numbers of clowns in Kirkcaldy who perpetually pedal the 'Rovers don't want to go up / Rovers can't afford to go up' nonsense,
4- Prior to the Germans coming in last year, Dunfermline have always been locally owned and therefore there might be more of a natural connection between club and fanbase, whereas over the last 25 years, Rovers have had owners from outwith Kirkcaldy (Kelly, McGowan etc).

1and 3 (maybe not so much 2 and 4) can also be applied to Falkirk, and all of the above can probably be applied to Kilmarnock, another town of similar population to Kirkcaldy, but with a substantially bigger core support.


Populations check to within 3,000, favoring Dunfermline.

Kirkcaldy is a slightly older demo (4%+ pensioner vs adult compared to Dunfermline) which slightly multiplies the slightly lower population.

Kirkcaldy is more economically depressed, with much higher business vacancies effectively reducing the draw in surrounding areas, vs Dunfermline (double the empty floor space, and 30% more vacant units).

Kirkcaldy has 15% lower employment than Dunfermline, reducing available cash to pay to attend. Additionally, 5% more of the employed in Kirkcaldy are “low-skilled”, thus limiting income.

Kirkcaldy’s economically inactive rate is twice Dunfermline, again, less disposable money. Dunfermline has weekly average income over £60 above Kirkcaldy, for residents, and £20+ for workers from outside the area.

Business activity is similar, with a slight advantage to Dunfermline.

The simple fact is a similar size doesn’t mean similar means, and Kirkcaldy has less disposable income, and more available places to spend it, than Dunfermline, which is to the Pars advantage.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's all about success. We are still reaping the rewards from our purple patch in the mid 90s. I have no doubt our average attendance woukd be a couple of hundred lower now than it is but for those glory days then. It is the same for Dunfermline. They had huge success in the 60s but even in the last thirty years they have spent, what maybe ten seasons in the top flight? In that time we've spent three seasons there. That success means that Dunfermline have been attracting more people to come along and so it will take longer for that fan base to drift and whittle away.
In many ways the Pars financial doping has benefited them in much the same way as an athlete gains from steroid doping. Even after an athlete stops taking the drugs they can retain muscle memory. The Pars got fans hooked on them during the (relatively) successful periods funded by borrowing cash they didn't have to repay. The Bank, Fife Council, local businesses and The British Red Cross picked up the tab. If they spend another ten years yoyo-ing between the second and third tier their attendances will be what we have now.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me, as SG says, it's a comnbination of several factors sure enough, but there are two that stand out...

First, football-related, is that the differemnce stems from Dunfermline having had a successful period through the 1960s, which was far longer and more sustained than ours during the 1990s. This has led to a 'tradition' of them being seen as the better-supported team [similar to Kilmarnock & Ayr United on the other side of the country)

The other is population. Whilst we could claim Glenrothes as part of our catchment area, that has never happened due to Glenrothes' growth years being largely due to an influx of people from (mostly) the west fo Scotland. And so, Central Fife has more than its fair share of Old Firm worshippers

Contrast that with Dunfermline's more recent growth (have you been through Duloch? - there's thousands there alone!), which has stemmed from commuter belt status. Also, a different demographic from Kirkcaldy/Glenrothes.... A friend tells me Dunfermline's population has grown by 25% in the past decade, as has the town's affluence.

To reverse the roles between Pars and Rovers would take at least a decade of sustained dominance by our team over their's, and even then, we'd need to be premier division all that time, too....
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