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Valleyboy



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And, Neil M, taking the mickey out of women’s football does them a disservice. Seems to be a bit of a misogyny theme going on here.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

“ I wish people would shut up and stop complaining about the board and David Goodwillie”

Why Cuparman? Isn’t this a forum for ALL (you like the use of capitals) Rovers fans and not just those who agree with you? Surely both sides of the argument are there to be heard, voiced and debated. Sim has caused this debate to rear its head again and it’s there to be discussed openly and fairly by whoever has an opinion.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Valleyboy wrote:
And, Neil M, taking the mickey out of women’s football does them a disservice. Seems to be a bit of a misogyny theme going on here.


Wasn't taking the mickey out of Women's football in any way shape or form Valleyboy. I was taking the mickey out of the irony of the woke eejits who tried to noise up the Northern Ireland's Womens' side on how THEY thought that they ought to feel about Kenny Shiels over an innocent comment and hoping, in a very smug way, that he would lose his job. Then the same women players ripped right into the political agitators, threw it straight back at them and defended Kenny Shiels - with passion!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair point, on that aspect. However, ‘seconding’ all of Cuparman’s post including an attempt to belittle the outcome of a civil case is not. Anyone who knows anything about rape cases knows how hard it is to even get to a criminal trial, let alone win it. And if just the balance of evidence points to rape having been perpetrated, then that in itself is very concerning. My main issue though here is an owner who would think of shutting a club down, rather than face down honestly felt criticism of its actions.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seconded the gist of Cuperman's post - to move on. I make no judgement at all on the outcome of the case, or DG's past. For what it is worth, I have never liked the guy. My only concern is how Rovers move forward from it.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Valleyboy wrote:
Fair point, on that aspect. However, ‘seconding’ all of Cuparman’s post including an attempt to belittle the outcome of a civil case is not. Anyone who knows anything about rape cases knows how hard it is to even get to a criminal trial, let alone win it. And if just the balance of evidence points to rape having been perpetrated, then that in itself is very concerning. My main issue though here is an owner who would think of shutting a club down, rather than face down honestly felt criticism of its actions.


Agree wholeheartedly. As for those considering me “woke” or virtue signaling, you have no idea how or why this hits home so personally, so you can just…well, I won’t say that here.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tx Rover, I made it clear in my post that I was not talking about you or any other Rovers fans who were rightly angry. I have never once defended DG, his actions or his signing. I was talking about journalists and politicians who have nothing to do with the club, who used it all to further their own ends, at our club's expense.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neil M wrote:
Tx Rover, I made it clear in my post that I was not talking about you or any other Rovers fans who were rightly angry. I have never once defended DG, his actions or his signing. I was talking about journalists and politicians who have nothing to do with the club, who used it all to further their own ends, at our club's expense.


Was not addressed at you, Neil…sorry that wasn’t clear.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Valleyboy wrote:
Fair point, on that aspect. However, ‘seconding’ all of Cuparman’s post including an attempt to belittle the outcome of a civil case is not. Anyone who knows anything about rape cases knows how hard it is to even get to a criminal trial, let alone win it. And if just the balance of evidence points to rape having been perpetrated, then that in itself is very concerning. My main issue though here is an owner who would think of shutting a club down, rather than face down honestly felt criticism of its actions.


Mr Sim has made his point which he is entitled to do.
Just coz you and some others do not like it is just tough.
He pretty much is the owner, he did something that he thought would help the club achieve promotion.

The right or wrongs of his actions have been there for the world to see and it is time for the club to heal.
That is never going to happen when you and people like you just keep driving their opinion and whinging coz he put your nose out of joint.
If it is so important to you and you are so disgusted with him and his actions then do the decent, thing ie, post your disgust for all to see, then move on.

If you don’t think that all of the diatribe on this forum, television and the worlds press is insufficient, which included not only the aforementioned but also the political leader of this country then there is something missing with you.

Nobody batted an eyelid when he went to Clyde, their morals are obviously not in alignment with some on this platform.
I hope his wife and child have it in their hearts to forgive you and others that have put them through hell . And that is not an opinion, you and others have hounded them by your continued actions......FACT.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No worries TX Rover. Thanks for clarifying.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DG, regardless of his past, would have been a bit of a gamble to win us promotion. An aging striker who's not played at full time level for years and been plying his trade in League 1. The fact he was seen as 'the one and only' is quite bonkers. Considering morals at the club is down the tubs we'd have been as well doing a Hearts, Motherwell, Livi, Dundee and splashing cash on promotion with little to no consequences. Hasn't done those teams any harm in the long run.

Anway, the only reason we're speaking about DG is down to Sims recent comments. If he himself had kept shtum I'm sure things would have continued to die down but HE has flared things up again.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cuparman wrote:
Valleyboy wrote:
Fair point, on that aspect. However, ‘seconding’ all of Cuparman’s post including an attempt to belittle the outcome of a civil case is not. Anyone who knows anything about rape cases knows how hard it is to even get to a criminal trial, let alone win it. And if just the balance of evidence points to rape having been perpetrated, then that in itself is very concerning. My main issue though here is an owner who would think of shutting a club down, rather than face down honestly felt criticism of its actions.


Mr Sim has made his point which he is entitled to do.
Just coz you and some others do not like it is just tough.
He pretty much is the owner, he did something that he thought would help the club achieve promotion.

The right or wrongs of his actions have been there for the world to see and it is time for the club to heal.
That is never going to happen when you and people like you just keep driving their opinion and whinging coz he put your nose out of joint.
If it is so important to you and you are so disgusted with him and his actions then do the decent, thing ie, post your disgust for all to see, then move on.

If you don’t think that all of the diatribe on this forum, television and the worlds press is insufficient, which included not only the aforementioned but also the political leader of this country then there is something missing with you.

Nobody batted an eyelid when he went to Clyde, their morals are obviously not in alignment with some on this platform.
I hope his wife and child have it in their hearts to forgive you and others that have put them through hell . And that is not an opinion, you and others have hounded them by your continued actions......FACT.


Sigh... Rolling Eyes

1. Just because someone is "entitled" to voice their opinion does not mean that other people have to just accept it or "like it". An opinion is just that, its essentially meaningless unless its backed up with facts and, crucially, open to being changed when is found to be incorrect or outdated.

John Sim has said what he has said, the bit that people are annoyed about is that his first instinct, while claiming to not being a dictator, was to close the club because he couldn't get his own way. Feels fairly dictatorial doesn't it?

This is the bit people have an issue with, making outlandish claims like hes the Scottish version of Kim Jong-un wanting to take his ball away because the mean kids don't want him to play with them isn't something that is helpful at all. If he thinks about it for something like this, what else will trigger him into thinking about this again? How can we guarantee that this man is not going to just give up and close the club down because he feels slighted or shunned by a reaction to decisions?

I have respect for what Sim has done overall with the club since his tenure began, its been a net positive effect. I don't think anyone can argue about that, but, people are judged on their individual actions and this interview is the action in question. A club owner cannot be coming out with this stuff, its damaging to reputation, its a concern to those who work for the club and for supporters who spent their lives supporting the club being told that "I thought about closing the club" and "if you don't like it, go elsewhere" is not and should not be acceptable whether its opinion or not.


2. It feels very hypocritical of you to claim that other people continue to drive their opinion when you're a, defending someones right to drive their opinion and b, driving your own opinion about everyone who has a difference to you stopping the club moving forward.

3. People indeed batted eyelids when he originally moved to Clyde. A quick google provides us with...

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However, since that time, the world has moved on and attitudes and acceptance on these things have changed, the #MeToo movement for example is a thing now, it wasn't when he signed (it actually started later in the same year). Also, the move happened in the same week that Mason Greenwood was in the news, the topic of footballers abusing women was very much already a headline in the UK.

It would seem that these changes have absolutely bypassed John Sim and a few others, even on this forum. The world changes, attitudes change, opinions and moral choices are not the same as they were 5 years ago, thats just how it is and how it has always been over time.

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Cuparman wrote:
I hope his wife and child have it in their hearts to forgive you and others that have put them through hell . And that is not an opinion, you and others have hounded them by your continued actions......FACT.


That is very much an opinion, unless you can provide tangible evidence that the user you quoted has personally hounded them with their actions.

Now, I have absolute sympathy for both his family and the victim in all of this, I cannot imagine what it has all stirred up each time its been a headline in the paper etc but as others have already, this latest episode was caused by John Sim deciding that an inflammatory interview about it all was the right thing to do. Maybe he'll see the reaction to this too and decide "Well, I'll just close the club"?

You cannot continue to spout on aimlessly about people stopping the healing process whilst defending the man who decided to start it all up again in the press.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Gary, saves me more typing.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If people cannot acknowledge the harm that some supporters who have continually had a go at the club to the point that it has been on the national TV in Scotland/England and subsequently MUST have had an effect on his family who are totally innocent, then you are unbelievable.......tangible evidence??......so you won’ t accept that all this HUGELY damaging press/tv coverage has had a tangible effect on his family, what do you require? Do you need for his wife/ relatives to actually come on here to tell you the effect that it has had on them.......unbelievable!.
It is not a point of view, it is a fact, and to say otherwise is defending the indefensible.
That is my last word on this subject.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a lot of Trumpian facts getting thrown about, utter tosh.

This forum is for expressing your opinion and generating debate.

that is all.
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