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badpress139



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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2023 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure he would leave now. He's just encouraged Brown, connelly and Dick to see their future with us. Would be low on his part if he did leave after that plus any pre-contract signings would maybe change their minds also.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2023 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loyalty like that does not factor in football. Especially from a manager that’s been here for less than 1 year. If someone offers him double his salary for 2 years he’s still 4x better off than he is here regardless of what happens.

I’m 50/50 on Murray. Does he deserve another season? Probably. Would I be gutted to see him go? Nah.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2023 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Totally with you CB on all counts
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hope IM stays, a chance to build his own team after last season, we need continuity and he I think is a decent manager, Dundee are a basket case of a club and I think he'd be daft to take that job, but it's all speculation just now when things seemed to be on the up at SP, hopefully sorted in the short term and we move on.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best case scenario, if the new shareholders wanted rid of Kevin Thomson, when they were at at Kelty, they would have been delighted to see the back of him. On the other hand, if they wanted to keep him, then he left them in the lurch. Either way, they would be mad to have anything to do with him at Raith. From what I have seen from them so far, I doubt if they would subject the fans to such a gamble, given what they already know.

I don't understand how it works (in practice) with a club approaching an under contract manager. Yes, I get that they need permission to do it in an official capacity, but would they even bother without some hint of interest "through the grapevine" etc? What I'm getting at is - would they even go to the trouble if they did not have some hint that Murray was interested? Mind you, it is Dundee! Rolling Eyes

I agree Southstader - IM was / is definitely a man-with-a-plan. He came in late in close-season to a club in turmoil, a very limited playing budget, the threat of hybrid football, the iminent sale of the club and nobody knowing their future there, the Big John disaster, unexpected departures of players and a hellish injury list. Agreed - he made mistakes, but his hands were tied too and he hasn't had a fair chance to prove himself yet IMO.


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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think if we are forced into a management change now, it would send us back to square one. Murray now knows the club, budgets and restraints and who he wants at the club.

If someone else were to come in, which itself would maybe take time, they would be starting from the beginning again. I don't want to start the new season in that position.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2023 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The season has literally just finished. I could understand the above point if we were in pre season or that but some teams are still playing out their seasons in playoffs etc so some might call this the ideal time to change coaches.

I don’t want rid of Murray, as above he deserves the chance at another season but last season was hardly a successful one league wise. He’s clearly not ruled himself out of the Dundee job either but the sooner his position is clarified the better.

The fact that nothings come out suggest that maybe a deal has been reached but clubs may be negotiating the release fee. Speculation but if a decision was made that he was staying I think we’d have heard by now.
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2023 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess IM is pretty much like the rest of us in that he tries to do the best job he can with the tools (no pun intended) he has been given. However if a better offer comes along which may give him increased financial security for his family, he would be a fool not to at least consider that offer. Which is the position I am sure most of us here would adopt.

The Dundee job however would seem to need serious consideration due to the fact all does not seem to be as it should! Money is not everything in this life, and it would appear the impatience of Mr Nelms may not give him the time he will most definitely need to turn this sick club around. This will be a much harder job than he had when he first came to Kirkcaldy.

I am a wee bit surprised at the speed of the Board allowing him the Dundee discussions with apparently our Director of Football driving him up to Dens for the talks? (If that story is to be believed) It all makes me wonder if the Board are really happy with IM, and indeed if IM is really happy with the Board?

I genuinely wish IM all the best no matter what decision he comes to. However, in the highly unlikely occasion of IM asking me for advice, I would be telling him not to touch Dundee with a Barge Pole. IM's current trajectory is heading in the right direction. I really believe a move across the Tay might flatten, if not reverse that trend!
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2023 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with all your points HR. Two appointed managers walk away from Dundee in a month. I'm sure it has happened somewhere before, but I can't remember. IM may see a one-off opportunity in their pressing need for a manager. Notice that Dundee don't go for any managers from 2nd-6th place in the Championship.

One man we have overlooked in all this is Mickey Cameron. His is a very different scanario from most assistant managers in that Scott Agnew was more of a natural choice for IM. Cameron, on the other hand, came in to take his place and as we all know is a Rovers hero and a Rovers man. I wonder if Dundee will want to lure him too and if IM would seek to take him, if he went to Dens. Would Cameron even want to go there?
If Cameron were to stay, he would be an exellent interim man to continue what IM started, in terms of recruitment and planning ahead for next season. He could at least be on the interview list for a new manager and continue in some managerial role regardless. It might be awkward though, if he wanted the actual manager's job and if he didn't get it. There is a risk he would leave. I hope he stays.

IM could yet turn Dundee down.
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2023 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would be nice to hear some kind of statement or update from the club
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2023 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CoachBombay wrote:
Would be nice to hear some kind of statement or update from the club


I guess until the club are informed by Murray himself that he wishes to leave (or his perspective new employers offering compensation) there's not much they can say.
I can't think of a previous incidence where a club has issued a statement saying their player or manager was in talks about a move. There are always rumours and speculation about what's happening but until it's a done deal then the parties involved usually stay tight lipped. Even in his interview with the FFP Murray skirted about the issue never once mentioning Dundee FC by name.

Best we can hope for is that if IM does go then the board already have some plan ready to put rapidly into action.

Strange to think that a few seasons ago we lost Nisbet with no compensation at all but could get a fee if Murray leaves.
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2023 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the papers saying it's pretty much a done deal with one even proclaiming 'former Rangers star to take charge at Dens' Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2023 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My point is that all info has stopped. It was almost a daily announcement then suddenly it’s radio silence.

They could come out and say they’re given Dundee permission to talk to Murray but expect to have clarification by… it’s common knowledge anyway. The idea behind Potter coming in was that the club’s ideology would continue regardless of the coach. It seems to have stopped but totally get I’m a massively impatient fan boy….
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2023 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all a bit too unsettling, but theres damn all we can do about it till that lot over the Tay make their minds up, I'm not fussed if Murray stays or goes as long as the search for players is continuing in the background, I have this fear that we'll start this season in the same state as we started last season if he does go
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2023 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CoachBombay wrote:
My point is that all info has stopped. It was almost a daily announcement then suddenly it’s radio silence.

They could come out and say they’re given Dundee permission to talk to Murray but expect to have clarification by… it’s common knowledge anyway. The idea behind Potter coming in was that the club’s ideology would continue regardless of the coach. It seems to have stopped but totally get I’m a massively impatient fan boy….


That's because it was/is all supposed to be confidential.

However it was that the news came to light that Dundee approached Rovers for permission to talk to our manager, and that such permission was granted and an interview has subsequently taken place, absolutely NONE of it should have reached the public domain.

Who leaked it? No idea, but they were in the wrong to do so. My bet is that the source has now shut up because it's something that's not going to happen, so their credibility is shot. And serves them right - the possibility of it happening should never have hit the streets in the first place.

But that's what sells newspapers, I guess...
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