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Strathallan Rover



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heilan Rover wrote:
I think CB is suggesting we need to move on. Trying at every turn to keep this alive Tex and Gary, is only keeping the bad feeling alive AND I genuinely believe this is affecting Team performances.

The latest half page article in the courier lambasting the club as Hypocrites because they had released a statement on "World Women's day" simply points to the fact that Raith Rovers FC are Damned if they do, and Damned if they don't. Can you imagine the courier report if they had simply said nothing on World Woman's day? might it have read, "Women hating Raith Board fail to acknowledge World Women's Day"? You bet it would.

It is bad enough that outside forces want to perpetuate this Anti Rovers feeling, but I ask you guys, Should we really be continuing this line from within the club? The Board have said changes will be made. Please therefore have the patience and good grace to allow them to make these changes in the time frame needed. Carping like impatient adolescents from the side lines is only damaging the club that we all love, and you allege to?

Please guys STOP and give us all some time to heal.


Great post. The world has moved on to far more important things. It's only Val McDermid that's keeping it going followed by the "outraged", "sickened" and "disgusted" brigade.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heilan Rover wrote:
I think CB is suggesting we need to move on. Trying at every turn to keep this alive Tex and Gary, is only keeping the bad feeling alive AND I genuinely believe this is affecting Team performances.

The latest half page article in the courier lambasting the club as Hypocrites because they had released a statement on "World Women's day" simply points to the fact that Raith Rovers FC are Damned if they do, and Damned if they don't. Can you imagine the courier report if they had simply said nothing on World Woman's day? might it have read, "Women hating Raith Board fail to acknowledge World Women's Day"? You bet it would.

It is bad enough that outside forces want to perpetuate this Anti Rovers feeling, but I ask you guys, Should we really be continuing this line from within the club? The Board have said changes will be made. Please therefore have the patience and good grace to allow them to make these changes in the time frame needed. Carping like impatient adolescents from the side lines is only damaging the club that we all love, and you allege to?

Please guys STOP and give us all some time to heal.


Iím not keeping it alive, the BoD cowering in their bunker and refusing to make any statement is keeping it alive. Iím sorry if my opposition to accepting rape as something you can do, deny and be simply forgiven for is causing you an issue.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strathallan Rover wrote:
Heilan Rover wrote:
I think CB is suggesting we need to move on. Trying at every turn to keep this alive Tex and Gary, is only keeping the bad feeling alive AND I genuinely believe this is affecting Team performances.

The latest half page article in the courier lambasting the club as Hypocrites because they had released a statement on "World Women's day" simply points to the fact that Raith Rovers FC are Damned if they do, and Damned if they don't. Can you imagine the courier report if they had simply said nothing on World Woman's day? might it have read, "Women hating Raith Board fail to acknowledge World Women's Day"? You bet it would.

It is bad enough that outside forces want to perpetuate this Anti Rovers feeling, but I ask you guys, Should we really be continuing this line from within the club? The Board have said changes will be made. Please therefore have the patience and good grace to allow them to make these changes in the time frame needed. Carping like impatient adolescents from the side lines is only damaging the club that we all love, and you allege to?

Please guys STOP and give us all some time to heal.


Great post. The world has moved on to far more important things. It's only Val McDermid that's keeping it going followed by the "outraged", "sickened" and "disgusted" brigade.


In a nutshell

Its much the same on the other channel.The same folk regurgitating the same things

Theres a number on here and the other channel who continually bang the same drum about how poor the BOD have performed,how there too old,haven,t got clue blah blah blah ... should put themselves forward for Supporters Rep
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TxRover wrote:
Heilan Rover wrote:
I think CB is suggesting we need to move on. Trying at every turn to keep this alive Tex and Gary, is only keeping the bad feeling alive AND I genuinely believe this is affecting Team performances.

The latest half page article in the courier lambasting the club as Hypocrites because they had released a statement on "World Women's day" simply points to the fact that Raith Rovers FC are Damned if they do, and Damned if they don't. Can you imagine the courier report if they had simply said nothing on World Woman's day? might it have read, "Women hating Raith Board fail to acknowledge World Women's Day"? You bet it would.

It is bad enough that outside forces want to perpetuate this Anti Rovers feeling, but I ask you guys, Should we really be continuing this line from within the club? The Board have said changes will be made. Please therefore have the patience and good grace to allow them to make these changes in the time frame needed. Carping like impatient adolescents from the side lines is only damaging the club that we all love, and you allege to?

Please guys STOP and give us all some time to heal.


Iím not keeping it alive, the BoD cowering in their bunker and refusing to make any statement is keeping it alive. Iím sorry if my opposition to accepting rape as something you can do, deny and be simply forgiven for is causing you an issue.


The Board HAVE made a statement Tex. It may not be the one you want to hear, but it is clearly their position on the matter.

Tex I agree with your position on Rape whole heartedly, 100%. So it does not cause me an issue. I also agree we should not have signed DG. So we agree there also. You have made your point admirably on this matter in previous posts. However, your point, so well made in the first instance, is in danger of being lost because it is repeated continuously.

It is really time to let things heal Tex. Repeating the same point over and over is simply keeping the wound open.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heilan Rover wrote:
The Board HAVE made a statement Tex. It may not be the one you want to hear, but it is clearly their position on the matter.

Tex I agree with your position on Rape whole heartedly, 100%. So it does not cause me an issue. I also agree we should not have signed DG. So we agree there also. You have made your point admirably on this matter in previous posts. However, your point, so well made in the first instance, is in danger of being lost because it is repeated continuously.

It is really time to let things heal Tex. Repeating the same point over and over is simply keeping the wound open.


We disagree on if that was a ďStatementĒ or a damage limitation exercise.

Iím not saying anything except but the old BoD must be cleaned out, and I will not put money in while it helps pay DG on an ongoing basis.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Iím not saying anything except but the old BoD must be cleaned out, and I will not put money in while it helps pay DG on an ongoing basis.



I have to agree. I want the club to move on, and indeed ALL associated with the club to be able to move on, but the truth is, that NOTHING has changed. There has been no one falling on their sword as a prompt for us to be able to move on. Therefore it looks like the club thinks it can do what it likes with no repercussions, except to get rid of any 'dissenters'. This then smacks of not being a democracy. Then leading to the same ill feelings, and round and round we go.
I am happy to wait it out for what I think should be the first casualty of this, the manager who started off this not so merry go round with his will to sign the guy in the first place. His record since November has been extremely poor in a results based industry anyhow. Hopefully it is just a case of waiting for his contract to be up in the Summer before we get a new fresh management team. Follow that with some other board members leaving, others joining, and at last hopefully rebuild the reputation of the football club.
Incidentally, I think McDermid has made her point, and to keep it going is harming HER reputation too ironically...

Time. Something we are short of in life, but seems to take forever to get to where you want.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't have much anyway but I've zero interest what so ever what Ms McDermid thinks or says, sadly though I find I'm becoming less and less interested in the football club also. A general feeling of apathy is settling in, now, why is that?

From a board point of view those that stood against the transfer are long gone yet those who have most to be apologetic about remain and that bothers me still. They have battened down the hatches and engaged radio silence to ride out the storm, zero remorse and zero accountability.

Years and years of hard-fought building work undone needlessly in the space of 1 day over a month ago, with long lasting repercussions and no plan of action (short or long term) on how to clean up the mess.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scotty wrote:
I didn't have much anyway but I've zero interest what so ever what Ms McDermid thinks or says, sadly though I find I'm becoming less and less interested in the football club also. A general feeling of apathy is settling in, now, why is that?

From a board point of view those that stood against the transfer are long gone yet those who have most to be apologetic about remain and that bothers me still. They have battened down the hatches and engaged radio silence to ride out the storm, zero remorse and zero accountability.

Years and years of hard-fought building work undone needlessly in the space of 1 day over a month ago, with long lasting repercussions and no plan of action (short or long term) on how to clean up the mess.


Surely appointing a successful local businesswoman is a start? I still believe the board deserve time to fix their mistake. There is no queue of people willing to take their place as far as i know.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe (hope) that the summer will bring numerous changes...

How I see it?Ö

Unfortunately the proposed return of Goodwillie to Clyde permanently isnít happening so it could end up costing us a fair whack but one way or another he will be off our books.

McGlynn is lucky to still have a job regardless due to performances on the pitch for months, he has to go at the end of the season, this has a knock on affect of Smith leaving and his hopefully his wife following.

Of the board members culpable in this sorry mess, Iím hoping one, possibly two will leave their positions.

Iím hoping Sim views this horrible episode as a Ďblipí in the larger scheme of things and is determined to right the wrongs. Obviously financially he is hugely important to the very future of the club but it must not be forgotten all the good things he has done over the years and this will hopefully continue.

Regards Sim, a great start would be the appointment of an up and coming, hungry, manager with a fresh outlook, given backing in the player market.

If the majority of these things happen, we can look to building bridges with the fans, the community, new sponsors (perhaps some old) and go again next season with optimism.

It all seems so simple!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strathallan Rover wrote:
scotty wrote:
I didn't have much anyway but I've zero interest what so ever what Ms McDermid thinks or says, sadly though I find I'm becoming less and less interested in the football club also. A general feeling of apathy is settling in, now, why is that?

From a board point of view those that stood against the transfer are long gone yet those who have most to be apologetic about remain and that bothers me still. They have battened down the hatches and engaged radio silence to ride out the storm, zero remorse and zero accountability.

Years and years of hard-fought building work undone needlessly in the space of 1 day over a month ago, with long lasting repercussions and no plan of action (short or long term) on how to clean up the mess.


Surely appointing a successful local businesswoman is a start? I still believe the board deserve time to fix their mistake. There is no queue of people willing to take their place as far as i know.


It is an excellent startÖa start for an owner that failed the Club AND the fans badly. Next the four BoD ďyesĒ votes must either show understanding, and change, or depart. Regardless, Goodwillie must be removed from the club accounts.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strathallan Rover wrote:
scotty wrote:
I didn't have much anyway but I've zero interest what so ever what Ms McDermid thinks or says, sadly though I find I'm becoming less and less interested in the football club also. A general feeling of apathy is settling in, now, why is that?

From a board point of view those that stood against the transfer are long gone yet those who have most to be apologetic about remain and that bothers me still. They have battened down the hatches and engaged radio silence to ride out the storm, zero remorse and zero accountability.

Years and years of hard-fought building work undone needlessly in the space of 1 day over a month ago, with long lasting repercussions and no plan of action (short or long term) on how to clean up the mess.


Surely appointing a successful local businesswoman is a start? I still believe the board deserve time to fix their mistake. There is no queue of people willing to take their place as far as i know.


Bringing in Susan Simpson is a start but as for the rest I'm not one for giving them time to right their wrongs, I don't trust them to get it right going forward. If any of these guys in their own companies/busnesses had an employee who made an error of this magnitude (after being advised not to) their positions would be made untenable, there has to be accountability. This was a decision that ruined the clubs reputation and trashed the momentum of many years good work. Hell it could have destroyed the club completely! The only way they could right their wrongs is for them to collectively pay DG off themselves not RRFC. The Supporters fund is down £20,000 PA as so many took their funding away, most wont be back until they know their money wont be going to pay for a player they told the club not to sign. Over 50 people e-mailed the club to tell them not to sign DG, I (and several others) was asked by a Director what I though of signing him, I said it was a definite no! And yet they still went for it.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

StarksBarmy wrote:
I believe (hope) that the summer will bring numerous changes...

How I see it?Ö

Unfortunately the proposed return of Goodwillie to Clyde permanently isnít happening so it could end up costing us a fair whack but one way or another he will be off our books.

McGlynn is lucky to still have a job regardless due to performances on the pitch for months, he has to go at the end of the season, this has a knock on affect of Smith leaving and his hopefully his wife following.

Of the board members culpable in this sorry mess, Iím hoping one, possibly two will leave their positions.

Iím hoping Sim views this horrible episode as a Ďblipí in the larger scheme of things and is determined to right the wrongs. Obviously financially he is hugely important to the very future of the club but it must not be forgotten all the good things he has done over the years and this will hopefully continue.

Regards Sim, a great start would be the appointment of an up and coming, hungry, manager with a fresh outlook, given backing in the player market.

If the majority of these things happen, we can look to building bridges with the fans, the community, new sponsors (perhaps some old) and go again next season with optimism.

It all seems so simple!


There will be changes in the summer of that I'm confident too but they wont be the ones I'm hoping for.

Board wise there will be a change in the chair with Sim stepping down and MaDonald taking over, and that I fear with the exception of Susan Simpson coming in along with a new Fans rep will be it.
I seriously doubt any of them will actually go, although if anyone does I expect it to be either Sim or Sinton, as long as one is there Sim will still be in control of things.
Management wise McGlynn is history and Smith too most likely, they will be replaced and if John Sim gets his long admired choice Danny Lennon will be in the hot seat.

The way I see it is John McGlynn hasn't had a good season, 3 massive injuries that have ended or halved the season for a striker, pivotal midfielder and key defender have damaged the cause but there more to it than that I fear. By this time last year McGlynn was announcing pre-contracts, this year? Nowt! He's not getting to sign anyone and he's been told that, he knows he's going and so do the team.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Danny Lennon can't get the job Scotty. He's been involved with Goodwillie for the past few years now.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Danny Lennon can't get the job Scotty. He's been involved with Goodwillie for the past few years now.


He's more likely to play him then I'd think.

The BoD don't give a hoot about fan opinion or Millionaire sponsors, what makes you think Sim wont get his way with that too?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always quite liked Lennon as an option when we had a vacancy but this was based on his time at St Mirren, nothing since then inspires much confidence.

Speaking of St Mirren, Steven Naismith had talks over their managerial position, possibly someone to consider? Young, ambitious, knows the league, plenty of recent contacts in the game.

So longs we donít end up with someone off the usual suspect merry go round
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