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TxRover



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ‘m sad at the number of fans who are suggesting enough is enough and let’s get on with fitba. As Gary suggests, people who volunteered will have to be convinced a change has occurred to return. Val may or may not return, but she kept her word when the Board dared her…and nothing she has said or done harmed the Club any more than the BoD’s actions.

If you had a wealthy relative who gifted you with some financial support, and you went out of your way to piss them off, would you be surprised at being cut off? Did Val’s social media posts cause the problem, or perhaps help the Rovers by bringing it to a quick head, and allowing the BoD to reverse course with alacrity BEFORE DG played a match? If you were a woman associated with RRFC, how would YOU react to their action?

Until a complete accounting is made, and a true house cleaning of the guilty parties occurs, the Rovers will struggle. It is a true shame that we are likely headed back to League One or Two, but I don’t see how RRFC can sustain Championship (or higher) level play until we rebuild the Community trust and attract new sponsors.

I would strongly recommend the Club approach Val and ask her to lead an effort to realign the Club, bringing the Ladies teams back into the fold, but that will certainly require high level turnover. Perhaps she could spearhead a fan supported buyout?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is VMcD overstepping her boundaries? Maybe she is and maybe she isn't at the end of the day I really have no opinion on Ms McDermid and her latest crusade, she is quite rightly entitled to do what she wants. However I am getting more than a little cheesed off at those politicos and others who are suddenly all over this as if it's a brand new disgrace. the right thing would have been to act 5 years ago not jump on the band wagon now.

I just don't see the previous sponsors coming back as long as the current board members remain in situ. I don't think Val and Sim saw eye to eye before when she was on the board, less so now I'd guess.

Sadly Mr Sim holds all the cards and without him the club would struggle unless he was replaced by a similar entity. In an ideal world he would gift the club and the ground to the fans (not happening) or simply stand down from the chair and take a step back.

I'm of the opinion that quite simply there has to be large scale changes to appease the unhappiest fans and volunteers, I'm sure that the staus quo cant continue indefinitely and there will be a change and the quicker the better, but the only question is how far reaching the changes will be, not enough and we die a slow death, to much and we could potentially lose everything.
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Strathallan Rover



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing is for certain i do not want to Val McDermid anywhere near Stark's Park again. She has done what i expected her to do, use the "open goal" opportunity that the media have presented her to drive ahead with her agenda.
All that was required was to issue the same short and sweet statement that fellow shirt sponsor Tag Games issued.

I heard from a good mate on Saturday that when she was a director and we were looking for a new manager, she suggested Shelly Kerr. My fear would be if she were to come back it would be on her terms and goodness knows where we would end up.

Looking ahead, i hope John Sim continues, as until now, he has done a lot more good than bad. No way should this club be left to die as some have suggested because of one crazy decision. A shake up in the boardroom and the dugout is definitely required though.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:32 pm    Post subject: The Reply with quote

I fear its critical [/u]
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Armagh Rover



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^^^^^^^^ that last part is just about spot on and I dont think for one minute John Sim would want a legacy of the man who rescued Raith Rovers only to kill the club off years later
Val is on a quest against the board for justified reasons, but at the same time shes hurting the institution that is Raith Rovers and its supporters
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Heilan Rover



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Guys but I can stay quiet no longer.

Are you mad? John Sim is the only thing that stands between our club and insolvency. In truth we are technically already insolvent and the fact that John Sim has personally guaranteed our current debt (which we cannot service) is the only thing that stops us going into receivership. The Directors are legally obliged to call in receivers and cease trading if we cannot service our debts as they fall due. Read the last set of company accounts at company house and you will plainly see this is the case.

So by all means. Let the fools call for him to withdraw, that is if you would be happy for RRFC to go out of existence!

I am less than impressed by the sanctimonious continuation by the press and others on how our club has delved into the mire of Hell. Get a Grip! We made an almighty mistake and we are trying to make amends for this. Other than what the club has already done, in a very costly exercise of cancelling the Players contract, what other immediate action can they take? Sacking the board is simply a chant from fans who are rightly angry, but it cannot happen in the real world without the end of the Rovers.

Now is the time to get behind our club. What is done is done and true Rovers supporters should get behind the club and help rebuild.

Of course everyone has the right to stop supporting the Rovers that is a choice we all have to make. So, if you want to go, just go. Start a new Forum for the Macdermid Ladies FC and leave this Forum to people who want to help Rovers succeed. Do what you want, but stop asking for the heads of the Board because without them, or someone else with their financial standing, there will simply be no Rovers. Be careful of what you wish.

In saying all of this I really feel sorry for the victim and David Goodwillie's family, and I really wish we hadn't signed him. However, we need to stop rubbishing the Club I have supported for over 60 years and try to move to calmer waters. It seems to me that is exactly what the Directors are trying to do. Let's at least give them the opportunity to turn things round
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of all the articles I’ve read about this sorry episode this one really hits the nail on the head, followed closely by Steven McAnespie’s reaction to the signing. Goodwillie should have been called out by the politicians - and ex-politicians - much sooner, but anyone who still thinks that football ability trumps morality is no better than the other Trump. A terrible stain on our reputation, and the worst business decision imaginable.

https://www.fifetoday.co.uk/news/opinion/columnists/raith-rovers-david-goodwillie-signing-is-an-insult-to-every-survivor-of-rape-or-sexual-violence-martyn-mclaughlin-3550416
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heilan Rover wrote:
Sorry Guys but I can stay quiet no longer.

Are you mad? John Sim is the only thing that stands between our club and insolvency. In truth we are technically already insolvent and the fact that John Sim has personally guaranteed our current debt (which we cannot service) is the only thing that stops us going into receivership. The Directors are legally obliged to call in receivers and cease trading if we cannot service our debts as they fall due. Read the last set of company accounts at company house and you will plainly see this is the case.

So by all means. Let the fools call for him to withdraw, that is if you would be happy for RRFC to go out of existence!

I am less than impressed by the sanctimonious continuation by the press and others on how our club has delved into the mire of Hell. Get a Grip! We made an almighty mistake and we are trying to make amends for this. Other than what the club has already done, in a very costly exercise of cancelling the Players contract, what other immediate action can they take? Sacking the board is simply a chant from fans who are rightly angry, but it cannot happen in the real world without the end of the Rovers.

Now is the time to get behind our club. What is done is done and true Rovers supporters should get behind the club and help rebuild.

Of course everyone has the right to stop supporting the Rovers that is a choice we all have to make. So, if you want to go, just go. Start a new Forum for the Macdermid Ladies FC and leave this Forum to people who want to help Rovers succeed. Do what you want, but stop asking for the heads of the Board because without them, or someone else with their financial standing, there will simply be no Rovers. Be careful of what you wish.

In saying all of this I really feel sorry for the victim and David Goodwillie's family, and I really wish we hadn't signed him. However, we need to stop rubbishing the Club I have supported for over 60 years and try to move to calmer waters. It seems to me that is exactly what the Directors are trying to do. Let's at least give them the opportunity to turn things round



I also observed from a far but had to give in yesterday and say my points, the owner is going nowhere anytime soon. Rovers have done so much good over the years and it dissapears overnight ? The supporting statement from the board that has now been deleted was a "palm in face" moment.

DG is not going to play for rovers now, the owner will be staying on. That is the reality. Could a slight change in the board sway some fans / sponsors / volunteers?
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Hankey_Bannister



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strathallan Rover wrote:
I heard from a good mate on Saturday that when she was a director and we were looking for a new manager, she suggested Shelly Kerr.


I heard that too. So what.

Are women not allowed to manage football teams? Or would you rather they stayed at home doing chores etc??
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Strathallan Rover



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hankey_Bannister wrote:
Strathallan Rover wrote:
I heard from a good mate on Saturday that when she was a director and we were looking for a new manager, she suggested Shelly Kerr.


I heard that too. So what.

Are women not allowed to manage football teams? Or would you rather they stayed at home doing chores etc??


Yes, of course they are but i would not want one managing Raith Rovers. I think we have been in the headlines enough lately without adding to it. I remember her hitting the headlines after the 3-3 draw v Argentina, after being 3-0 up and failing to qualify for the knockout stages, having the players in tears and causing a fight at the post match dinner, rather than taking the responsibility.

I see plenty of women at Stark's Park enjoying watching the Rovers and i hope that continues for years to come. Just not in charge of the team.
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Neil M



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heilan Rover wrote:
Sorry Guys but I can stay quiet no longer.

Are you mad? John Sim is the only thing that stands between our club and insolvency. In truth we are technically already insolvent and the fact that John Sim has personally guaranteed our current debt (which we cannot service) is the only thing that stops us going into receivership. The Directors are legally obliged to call in receivers and cease trading if we cannot service our debts as they fall due. Read the last set of company accounts at company house and you will plainly see this is the case.

So by all means. Let the fools call for him to withdraw, that is if you would be happy for RRFC to go out of existence!

I am less than impressed by the sanctimonious continuation by the press and others on how our club has delved into the mire of Hell. Get a Grip! We made an almighty mistake and we are trying to make amends for this. Other than what the club has already done, in a very costly exercise of cancelling the Players contract, what other immediate action can they take? Sacking the board is simply a chant from fans who are rightly angry, but it cannot happen in the real world without the end of the Rovers.

Now is the time to get behind our club. What is done is done and true Rovers supporters should get behind the club and help rebuild.

Of course everyone has the right to stop supporting the Rovers that is a choice we all have to make. So, if you want to go, just go. Start a new Forum for the Macdermid Ladies FC and leave this Forum to people who want to help Rovers succeed. Do what you want, but stop asking for the heads of the Board because without them, or someone else with their financial standing, there will simply be no Rovers. Be careful of what you wish.

In saying all of this I really feel sorry for the victim and David Goodwillie's family, and I really wish we hadn't signed him. However, we need to stop rubbishing the Club I have supported for over 60 years and try to move to calmer waters. It seems to me that is exactly what the Directors are trying to do. Let's at least give them the opportunity to turn things round


This is the best post I have read so far on this topic Heilan' Rover. John Sim has moved mountains for this club and owns the debt. People on here seem to think that if he goes, the other directors go and John McGlynn and Paul Smith go, that the sponsors will return, the ladies team will come back, the media will go away and leave us alone and we will all live happlily ever after. Somehow, I just cannot picture that at all. I also agree with Armagh Rover and Stathallan Rover. The club can only compromise and come halfway with anyone who may state their terms to the club. The club is a business and they have a duty to all stakeholders, not least the players. They must not just panic agree to anything and everything.

I have said it before and I'll say it again - any moves forward have to be careful, considered and compromised - for the long term good of the club - not just knee-jerk reactions and attempts to appease others. make no mistake - the vultures will be circling! Anybody want an absentee American businessman in charge - or Val McDermid, with a former women's football player, seeking managerial experience, in as the manager - or if we were very lucky Gavin Price or Darren Young, as we slide back to League 1?

Bill Clark's interview is also well worth listening to. He makes it clear that John McGlynn and Paul Smith's role were purely to make the board aware of available players and offers. RRFC were proactively contacted by Clyde about DG (not the other way around) - two days before the deadline, so no - John McGlynn and Paul Smith did not push for him. Their heads are also being called for on here. While they are doing themselves no favour with the players that they are fielding, do we really want another Gary Locke or Claude Anelka - purely for appeasement?
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Burnley Rover



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strathallan Rover wrote:


I heard from a good mate on Saturday that when she was a director and we were looking for a new manager, she suggested Shelly Kerr..


So the rest of the directors laughed her out the boardroom then picked up the phone to tell Gary Locke he had the job.

O be fair Shelley Kerr couldn't have done any worse.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question is why Clyde actively contacted the club if we hadn,t shown previous interest in December which the club refused to comment on when asked

Bill Clark also said he didnt know who from Clyde contacted the Rovers and didnt know who they spoke to.As a board member didnt he think to ask that question at the board meeting on the Monday when the vote was taken?

Find it difficult to believe that the management teams remit is only to make the board aware of potential players,signings,deals with no input on whether they would be the right kind of player for the club not just football wise..If thats the case the board are making decisions on who to sign with no more and possibly less knowledge on a players ability than any supporter that sits in the South Stand
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heilan Rover is right. All of us supporting Raith Rovers really must stop delving around in the minutiae trying to establish who said what to whom, and so digging the hole our club is in ever deeper. And we need to stop arguing amongst ourselves, at least for now, regarding the manager's role, Goodwillie himself, Val McDermid's stance, and so on.

Instead, we must find collective unity on the core issue of how to actually make progress before it all becomes too late. At the same time, like it or not, John Sim's financial backing of the club is virtually impossible to replace, and so our club and its supporters must find a way to reconcile themselves to that, or have a very different football club.

At the core, we have a board of directors that John Sim has sanctioned to be his 'team on the ground', but that is now the barrier to any form of wider redemption amongst our community, supporters, and sponsors. Without their removal and replacement, there is little prospect of recovering our community (women's and girls' teams, all manner of volunteers, media support, general goodwill), or of recovering our commercial standing (shirt sponsorship, advertising, hospitality), as there are very few businesses whcih would associate with, or discuss terms with, any of the current Board of Directors stained with this episode.

And so, in my view, John Sim must have it laid before him that he must replace at least some of the directors at the club, and replace them with people he can genuinely put his faith in and task with taking decisions on the ground in the club's best interests moving ahead.

And that must happen now, before it's too late and we start planning 22-23 season without a sponsor and with a budget that's half the current one, at best.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heilan Rover wrote:
Sorry Guys but I can stay quiet no longer.

Are you mad? John Sim is the only thing that stands between our club and insolvency. In truth we are technically already insolvent and the fact that John Sim has personally guaranteed our current debt (which we cannot service) is the only thing that stops us going into receivership. The Directors are legally obliged to call in receivers and cease trading if we cannot service our debts as they fall due. Read the last set of company accounts at company house and you will plainly see this is the case.

So by all means. Let the fools call for him to withdraw, that is if you would be happy for RRFC to go out of existence!

I am less than impressed by the sanctimonious continuation by the press and others on how our club has delved into the mire of Hell. Get a Grip! We made an almighty mistake and we are trying to make amends for this. Other than what the club has already done, in a very costly exercise of cancelling the Players contract, what other immediate action can they take? Sacking the board is simply a chant from fans who are rightly angry, but it cannot happen in the real world without the end of the Rovers.

Now is the time to get behind our club. What is done is done and true Rovers supporters should get behind the club and help rebuild.

Of course everyone has the right to stop supporting the Rovers that is a choice we all have to make. So, if you want to go, just go. Start a new Forum for the Macdermid Ladies FC and leave this Forum to people who want to help Rovers succeed. Do what you want, but stop asking for the heads of the Board because without them, or someone else with their financial standing, there will simply be no Rovers. Be careful of what you wish.

In saying all of this I really feel sorry for the victim and David Goodwillie's family, and I really wish we hadn't signed him. However, we need to stop rubbishing the Club I have supported for over 60 years and try to move to calmer waters. It seems to me that is exactly what the Directors are trying to do. Let's at least give them the opportunity to turn things round



Couldn’t agree with this more. There were quite a few at the game on Saturday chanting “sack the board” quite a few of the Fife’s Finest in amongst them. No appreciation given to the consequences of that actually happening.
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