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Gary Parker
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stan drew rover wrote:
I hesitated to post this further comment on our plight, but in light of the misinformation being spread, and the consequently misguided opinions being expressed on here (most recently by Cuparman who I hope might regret his latest capital-lettered tirade), I feel the need to speak up again.

Even before receiving some corroboration, I detected a hint of a "sorry-but-not-sorry-at-all" flavour to Thursday's board statement. A bit like Boris Johnson saying sorry, when all he's sorry for is having been caught, not for the misdemeanour itself.

I now have been told on good authority by two completely separate but nonetheless knowledgeable contacts that there is little or no contrition, regret from within the boardroom, or even acknowledgement of the wrongness of the process or the decision to ignore advice received and proceed with the signing of the player.

Indeed, the opposite is the case. There is a degree of complacency and smugness within the boardroom that it'll all blow over, they'll find new main sponsors "no bother" [indeed claiming that to be already virtually in the bag], and they'll continue to float around kidding on they're competently running the show. Further, in one case, the whole story is being light-heartedly laughed off [I kid you not]

I apologise here and now for not detailing further, or naming & shaming, at least for the time being - I hope that reasons for that will come out in fairly short order.

Meantime, I continue to strive for that balance of supporting my team on the park whilst withdrawing that support of the club off the park.


Awful if true SDR. I really hope for the board's sake that it's not, or if it is they soon start to see the folly of their ways. The media silence pre and post match yesterday sadly suggests likely true however and nothing has been done to come up with any answers.

Even the supporters graphic on the website is now down to two logos, one of them belonging to a director and the other probably yet to get in contact with the club.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noticed that as well GP regarding the sponsors pulling. I think next season we'll have to return to a hybrid of full and part time players and then once contracts are honoured maybe just fully part time.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Castle wrote:
Don't take this the wrong way but I'll take rumours coming from unnamed sources with a shovel of salt.
What I'm starting to think is that there was already some bad blood between current and former board members before this saga began.



Same

Until the board come clean with the ins and outs of the whole thing its all conjecture,rumour,speculation.Unfortunately stans post just adds more fuel to the fire to all of that
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vinnie wrote:
Castle wrote:
[b]Don't take this the wrong way but I'll take rumours coming from unnamed sources with a shovel of salt.[/b]
What I'm starting to think is that there was already some bad blood between current and former board members before this saga began.



Same

Until the board come clean with the ins and outs of the whole thing its all conjecture,rumour,speculation.Unfortunately stans post just adds more fuel to the fire to all of that

im thinking similar to castles post also
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vinnie wrote:
Castle wrote:
Don't take this the wrong way but I'll take rumours coming from unnamed sources with a shovel of salt.
What I'm starting to think is that there was already some bad blood between current and former board members before this saga began.



Same

Until the board come clean with the ins and outs of the whole thing its all conjecture,rumour,speculation.Unfortunately stans post just adds more fuel to the fire to all of that


You're both correct, of course - which is why my post above includes an apology for it's lack of absolute detail. Yes, if taken on by some, my post will most likely fan the flames further. If that's what needs to happen to get the bad apples out of the barrel, then my view is, so be it.

I can only ask that my track record on here and, for those who know my 'real life' name, my track record as regards all things Raith Rovers, is taken into account when judging whether anything I say can be believed or not, or is posted with good intent or not
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ach

No questioning your good intention stan
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again no offence Stan because I don't know you but until five days ago, apart from Sim, I couldn't have told you the names of the Raith directors who are now in the firing line either. They could have sat next to me in the south stand yesterday and I wouldn't have known. I'm sure they are professionals who have done well in their fields of expertise and/or business life. Their past record didn't stop them making a big mistake though.
I will say though that if you want these people put of the club I'd maybe stop referring to them as bad apples. I've seen others saying they have questionable moral fibre. Such language is more likely to see them dig in rather than check out. Furthermore if you want them to leave you want them to leave on as good terms as is now possible, not riding into the sunset while giving the club the finger. Remember one of the directors you want gone is guarantor of the debt and owner of the stadium.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Castle wrote:
Again no offence Stan because I don't know you but until five days ago, apart from Sim, I couldn't have told you the names of the Raith directors who are now in the firing line either. They could have sat next to me in the south stand yesterday and I wouldn't have known. I'm sure they are professionals who have done well in their fields of expertise and/or business life. Their past record didn't stop them making a big mistake though.
I will say though that if you want these people put of the club I'd maybe stop referring to them as bad apples. I've seen others saying they have questionable moral fibre. Such language is more likely to see them dig in rather than check out. Furthermore if you want them to leave you want them to leave on as good terms as is now possible, not riding into the sunset while giving the club the finger. Remember one of the directors you want gone is guarantor of the debt and owner of the stadium.


Those concerned have probably been called far worse than 'bad apples' but I do take your point. No name-calling or abuse intended, merely a turn of phrase to make my point that I believe the club can only prosper again when these individuals have departed Stark's Park, leaving those of us who actually care about our club to pick things up and rebuild
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple of things I noticed on the official website:-

1) The news items on the original DG signing and the following (awful) statement in defence of it have disappeared. A bit of airbrushing of history going on there.

2) The directors page has been updated with BC and AM removed (as you would expect) but the remaining directors and the CE have had their photos removed. A cowardly attempt at anonymity while they hide in their bunker?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know if their photos have been removed or not as I have never checked before but the Goodwillie apology statement is still up there at least.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Castle - That's not the statement I'm referring to. I said "statement in defence of it". The one put out on Tuesday (I think).

The photos were there prior to the removal of BC & AM.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Such a sad time all around for the club and everyone connected with it.

I have found the media frenzy to be quite disturbing for a whole range of reasons which have been covered by a few posts already. Having a high profile supporter and friends has without doubt raised this signing worldwide. I cant help but feel some sort of annoyance at Val rightly or wrongly...... it is how I feel.

To add to that the social media in turn press aspect surrounding the goings on and signing in general went way further than I think most would imagine. Unless you agree with the masses people are targeted and shot down for having a differing view. It is actually refreshing to see that people can disagree on here but there can still be a discussion and points expressed.

Where does the club go now.....I can not see the main board member stepping down as some were chanting at end of the Hamilton game. Who comes in to replace ? Who has the cash and want to do so ?

Sponsors and life long fans / volunteers pulling out. What is the way forward?

Even if by some miracle the board are replaced and a new owner found this event will stigmatize the club for years.

If sponsors are not coming back after the U turn on the DG signing neither are the Raith TV team, fans, Ladies team then you get to a point that no matter what you do you are snookered in a way. There comes a point where they would have been just as well sticking by the signing and riding it out. The outcomes appear the same? (yes I will be shot down for this)

The courier etc are all up at the Ladies team with Val, cameras etc out great publicity for what was the womens team......how long does that last once the story is no longer main stream news?

So if the owner can not be replaced for the foreseeable what does everyone that have left / staying away want in order to come back?

The club I believe we all love has backed itself into a corner by its own doing, if you are staying away for your own reasons fair enough. If you are awaiting change and nothing happens what then? Do you stay away till there is no longer a Raith Rovers FC to support?

Me? I will continue to support the team I have for as long as I can remember regardless of who is at the helm.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hillsider wrote:
Such a sad time all around for the club and everyone connected with it.

I have found the media frenzy to be quite disturbing for a whole range of reasons which have been covered by a few posts already. Having a high profile supporter and friends has without doubt raised this signing worldwide. I cant help but feel some sort of annoyance at Val rightly or wrongly...... it is how I feel.

To add to that the social media in turn press aspect surrounding the goings on and signing in general went way further than I think most would imagine. Unless you agree with the masses people are targeted and shot down for having a differing view. It is actually refreshing to see that people can disagree on here but there can still be a discussion and points expressed.

Where does the club go now.....I can not see the main board member stepping down as some were chanting at end of the Hamilton game. Who comes in to replace ? Who has the cash and want to do so ?

Sponsors and life long fans / volunteers pulling out. What is the way forward?

Even if by some miracle the board are replaced and a new owner found this event will stigmatize the club for years.

If sponsors are not coming back after the U turn on the DG signing neither are the Raith TV team, fans, Ladies team then you get to a point that no matter what you do you are snookered in a way. There comes a point where they would have been just as well sticking by the signing and riding it out. The outcomes appear the same? (yes I will be shot down for this)

The courier etc are all up at the Ladies team with Val, cameras etc out great publicity for what was the womens team......how long does that last once the story is no longer main stream news?

So if the owner can not be replaced for the foreseeable what does everyone that have left / staying away want in order to come back?

The club I believe we all love has backed itself into a corner by its own doing, if you are staying away for your own reasons fair enough. If you are awaiting change and nothing happens what then? Do you stay away till there is no longer a Raith Rovers FC to support?

Me? I will continue to support the team I have for as long as I can remember regardless of who is at the helm.


A fair and balanced post Hillsider, no objections and shooting down for any of your questions.

In terms of answers, I feel that those who have chosen to step back from their volunteer duties, sponsorship or community associations have to be convinced of change before they return. The actual signing of Goodwillie, for me was the catalyst but really the decision being made showed nothing but ignorance of both the local viewpoint on the signing and lack of consideration of the fallout potential.

Trust now has to be re-earned between all of those individuals and the club as a whole, can that be done with those in charge? Is the release of DG etc enough to signify change, or viewed as an effort to save face by those in charge? Its too early to say I think.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with everything that Hillsider writes, plus Cuparman's Saturday post. I remain saddened very deeply by last week's events and the horrible publicity which has ensued. A massive error of judgement was made, but I can't help wondering (and I couldn't possibly comment further) if there was an element of 'orchestration' involved in engendering the level and speed of media reaction following a possible personality clash at boardroom level? Would this frenzy have come about without celebrity involvement?
'Sack the Board' has become a frequent call from disenchanted football supporters in recent times. Who is going to sack them-is the club owner going to sack himself? Until last week, huge strides forward had been made both on and off the park under the stewardship of the same board/owner/manager. Can we give them time to make reparations and move on?
For football reasons, and for the sake of a really good man, I hope sincerely that John McGlynn will remain in post and continue with his avowed mission to take our beloved club in to Scotland's top flight. Like Hillsider, I shall be in the South Stand, through thick and thin, for the rest of my life.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very much in agreement with Hillsiders sentiments, I too will take my place in the south stand when I get home. I appreciate the feelings of 5he volunteers as Iím one myself, the thought of watching the club starve to death is frightening but how can we work alongside people not just so out of touch but careless of fan opinion?
The board thought they were right to push the the signing through, they found that they were wrong!
With the signing they thought they were right and could ride it out, they found that they couldnít!
They are now backed into a corner and having partly made good, they are maybe thinking they can ride the storm. I think they are wrong again.

There will be a board meeting this week (maybe today), hopefully it will yield results leading to a brighter future.
The only thing is with no media people at the club, how will we find out? 🤔
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