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Armagh Rover
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We are all aware of how much financial input to the club John Sim has invested in the club, how much do the other 3 directors have invested in the club in either loans or shares, it may not be financially possible to replace them unless there are others with money willing to take their place. A castastrophic mistake was made, one which will never be made again as the harsh lesson will have been learned
Val saying she wont be back while DG is still being paid by the club, well she may well not be back for a few years if the club has to keep him on the books till their obligations to him are settled, as I cant see them handing over the full amount nor personally would I expect them to.
What has happened, has happened and cannot be undone, the cause of this is to all extent and purpose wont play for the club and as for as I know wont be anywhere near the club.
One hopes the board address a further statement sooner rather than later, showing remorse for taking us all for granted, so that a line may be drawn under this episode and supporters can come together once again, as without supporters there is no club and likewise without a club there are no supporters |
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stan drew rover
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Armagh Rover wrote: | We are all aware of how much financial input to the club John Sim has invested in the club, how much do the other 3 directors have invested in the club in either loans or shares, it may not be financially possible to replace them unless there are others with money willing to take their place. A castastrophic mistake was made, one which will never be made again as the harsh lesson will have been learned
Val saying she wont be back while DG is still being paid by the club, well she may well not be back for a few years if the club has to keep him on the books till their obligations to him are settled, as I cant see them handing over the full amount nor personally would I expect them to.
What has happened, has happened and cannot be undone, the cause of this is to all extent and purpose wont play for the club and as for as I know wont be anywhere near the club.
One hopes the board address a further statement sooner rather than later, showing remorse for taking us all for granted, so that a line may be drawn under this episode and supporters can come together once again, as without supporters there is no club and likewise without a club there are no supporters |
Unfortunately, the stakes are higher than you state, AR, and so the solution is going to have to be all the more hard-earned.
I agree with you - it looks like Val McDermid won't return to the fold any time soon, not just as long as DG remains connected through being on the payroll, but further if certain directors remain in situ. With TAG Games in a similar position, it's therefore clear that significant new sponsorship will be required.
Which local (or national) business is going to part with tens of thousands to back a club with the same stewardship in place as had made this monumental blunder? Which of those businesses is going to put its trust in a commercial management that backed this decision and showed such desperately bad judgement of its client base?
My view is that we can't afford to put that to the test. By the time it is 'discovered' in the summer that no-one will even talk to our club's representatives, it'll be too late and the downward spiral will accelerate.
Contrast that with swift decisive action now, that sees at least some directors removed forthwith and replaced by fresh faces, talented, diverse, and able to address the challenge ahead. Our club can access such talent, I am sure - we all know such people.
And these new faces don't need to have wealth, they wouldn't need to assume more than even a token shareholding in the club. Directors leaving would still have their shares (unless John Sim took them off their hands). If any of them have loaned the club money, the amount will be small compared with (a) potential commercial revenues on-going and (b) the soft loan that John Sim presides over
And so I reiterate, John Sim must be persuaded to re-build the Board of Directors with a body of people acceptable both to the community which our club serves (and on which it depends), and to John Sim himself, in that he can allow them to carry out their duties without fear or favour, secure in the knowledge that it will better serve the club and the community |
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Armagh Rover
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| We shall just have to wait I guess and see what John Sim comes up with, I agree with your sentiments regarding the other Directors but somehow I dont see myself holding my breath for very much to change |
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Heilan Rover
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Stan Drew. I can't see John Sim getting rid of board members who backed his position.
Can you?
That would indeed be a strange price to pay for loyalty to the Chairman.
I think we cross the sponsorship bridge when we come to it. Hopefully by that time the club has done enough to show potential Sponsors we are trying to make amends for our huge mistake. |
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stan drew rover
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Heilan Rover wrote: | Stan Drew. I can't see John Sim getting rid of board members who backed his position.
Can you?
That would indeed be a strange price to pay for loyalty to the Chairman.
I think we cross the sponsorship bridge when we come to it. Hopefully by that time the club has done enough to show potential Sponsors we are trying to make amends for our huge mistake. |
That's the essence of my concern. If we leave it to 'hope' it'll already be too late if/when we find that hope dashed. And on your first point, I see it more as blind, unchallenging obedience than loyalty - and, if that's what John Sim demands and won't tolerate anything else, then I fear we are doomed to the downward spiral I describe |
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scotty
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Despite the actions of 8 days ago that might suggest other wise Mr Sim isn't stupid, when it comes to finances he generally has a sound grip on things. It seems the decision to sign DG was on football and finances with the former being a no brainer and the latter a gamble that didn't pay off (The moral issue seems to have been ignored totally).
Having heard from someone he personally emailed he seems to have acknowledged that there has to be changes in leadership.
John Sim has shown himself to to be driven, opinionated, stubborn and often tempremental. For all of his faults I would say he is loyal and for that reason I don't think he'll throw the other 3 to the wolves, I think he'll stand down as chairman and then there will be further resignations from the board. Sims has sound financial acumen and he will know what has to happen.
To be honest I'm not sure if any of them can (or even should) stay in any capacity but I'm resolved to John Sim staying at Raith Rovers if he takes a back seat in some form.
This mightn't please some but despite a colossal error of judgement in backing that deal I'd like to see Stevie MacDonald stay too, as one of only 2 Kirkcaldy based directors I know he does a power of work at SP and is there on a mostly daily basis and was behind a lot of the work done to bring the ground up to scratch electrically.
I would very much like to see AM & BC back at the club along with a Trust representative and possibly some more diverse candidates.
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Vinnie
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Having seen the full email expect changes off the pitch and chairmanship
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Big Alex
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What email Vinnie? The one that Scotty's acquaintance alluded to?
How come you managed to get a view of it?
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Vinnie
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| Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2022 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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No BA not the one Scotty is alluding to
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Big Alex
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OK............so which one are you talking about? Sender - receiver?
Or are you sworn to secrecy?
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stan drew rover
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| Big Alex wrote: | OK............so which one are you talking about? Sender - receiver?
Or are you sworn to secrecy? |
Piecing various snippets together, it would appear that John Sim has taken the time to reply on an almost individual basis to everyone who has emailed/contacted him on the signing saga. It's probably essentially the same email reply to all, but with some time and consideration taken to tweak the contents according to the different views suggested to him on the best way ahead, and topped and tailed dependent on whether he knows the sender or not
The reply I received from him to my own email would certainly fit that bill.
And fair play to Mr Sim for all that expended effort.
But meanwhile, and a point I made in my own note to John Sim, time is of the essence. The longer matters are left unresolved, the more matters will fester for some, the more certain board members will think they're "getting away with it", and the further from a long-term solution we find ourselves.
For those reason, I desperately hope some further announcement, detailing firm actions to start to restore our club's reputation, is made before the team turns up at Celtic Park on Sunday. |
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BA
stan drew has summed it up
John McGlynn will issue a statement today on Goodwillie according to Fife Today
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Big Alex
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Thanks guys...................eagerly looking forward to some of this imminent news.
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| Shocking that John McGlynn and Bene were sent out to answer questions on STV tonight. They were the fall guys. Where were to board who made the decision? |
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| lifelongrover wrote: | | Shocking that John McGlynn and Bene were sent out to answer questions on STV tonight. They were the fall guys. Where were to board who made the decision? |
This was a pre match conference for the cup game on Sunday. Of course a statement about the one thing that all media are interested in needed to be made but pulling a director out next to the manager and captain would have probably been worse and the match would have ignored completely. I thought McGlynn was honest in his words and did well in the circumstances.
I still expect a proper statement from the board with their plan and it should be before the cup tie as we have to start moving on and rebuilding now. |
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