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bistogravy · Joined: 27 Jan 2022 Posts: 65 Location: Glenrothes

Being critical of VMcD is wrong headed, IMO, without her continued pressure, the actions of the volunteers and employees who have done the honourable thing would be lost.
The board and club will only change for the better if there is continued pressure from outwith their golden circle to affect positive change.

TxRover · Joined: 02 Jun 2018 Posts: 3022 Location: North Texas, USA

Armagh Rover · Joined: 25 Jul 2008 Posts: 5556 Location: Nottinghamshire

Big Alex · Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 506 Location: Cotswolds

VMcD sees the only way out of all this is to remove SIM and the rest of the board. I can't see this happening without the total demise of RRFC. as it is hard to see where the money and the replacements would come from.

Solution.............. VMcD spends some of her millions to buy our SIM and install herself as Chair and surround herself with a likeminded and sympathetic board.

That is of course assuming she loves the club as much as she says and not on a crusade to destroy the club as some have suggested.
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StarksBarmy · Joined: 03 Apr 2010 Posts: 3787

red zebra · Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:48 pm Post subject:

Sorry Tex but I will have to disagree with you on this, but please hear me out.
In December when this move was mooted, she went straight to the press about it and it caused a bit of a wee stooshie. Now, whether the board were calling her bluff or thought it would be okay as he had been playing for Clyde for 5 years without any hint of his past (and what allegedly happened to the complainant) coming back to the surface. As a club sponsor, albeit the main one, and no longer a director, she has no say in signing policy with the exception of withdrawing her support.

Apparently this was not enough for her and she took to social media and, given her global reach, destroyed a club she and her family have loved for decades, split asunder the support, volunteers and BoD. She has dragged the complainants name all through the press again and ensured that DG won't play football again, at least in the UK, and will have to find other means to support his family. With two tweets she got this club more press coverage than when we won the cup! She even dragged her wee ginger pal in to the extent she made statements not even realising DG had been playing the past 5 years in one of her constituencies. And why did she do this? Because the BoD that run the club, didn't do what she wanted them to do, so she threw her toys out of the pram and did untold damage.

Now there are many things in life I don't understand (yeah really) but I would like to know if anyone can answer these questions. Was DG conviction in a civil court for rape only valid when he moved to the Rovers or has it always been so ?

When we played them in League 1 a couple of seasons back, was there a boycott by any of our directors or fans because 'they were fielding a rapist'
Were any of the games covered by just Raith TV or by the worlds press because 'they were fielding a rapist'

Actually the answer to all 3 in no. Apparently nobody at all Rovers minded had a problem when he was Clyde's rapist, but they do when he is our rapist.

Incredible double standards.

Further, your comment:

The number of people suggesting Val should crawl back into her kitchen/hole/spiderweb now that the Rovers have agreed to not play DG is mind-boggling. That is akin to telling women to be quite and get back to their knitting because the story is over, and is a telling sign that the person saying it doesn’t get just how deeply this hurt is felt or doesn’t really believe that women are equally entitled to respect and a hearing

This is purile, false and frankly way below the level of generally well considered argument you normally present. As per the excellent stats you provide us with, stick to the facts, people will have a lot more respect for you.

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TxRover · Joined: 02 Jun 2018 Posts: 3022 Location: North Texas, USA

Sorry, but any people suggesting Val shut up or leave the Rovers alone are pigeon holing themselves, regardless of their true feelings. The matter she is arguing is real and VERY offensive to a large segment of the population. A little balm (we’ll not play him) and some makeup (we let him go) doesn’t patch up the gash this signing caused.

I’d love to move forward and support the Rovers without this mess trailing behind us, but it has clearly exposed issues…issues we were all guilty of ignoring while DG played for Clyde. I was equally guilty of not complaining about his play, and was actually unaware of the extent of his violations and the somewhat murky events surrounding the no prosecution decision, until I read the Civil Case documents. After that, having to explain such to female relatives has made it very clear that change is still badly needed, and as such I posted the above.

If you disagree and wish to call me names, have at it…but I know that this matter will not be swept under the rug, and must be addressed. The dirty little secret of good players being allowed to “get away” with stuff has been bubbling to the surface in many sports and countries recently, and will be resolved. Raith Rovers will change and adapt, I just hope it’s in a positive manner under new leadership in a relatively short term, without a period in the wilderness.

red zebra · Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:53 pm Post subject:

StarksBarmy · Joined: 03 Apr 2010 Posts: 3787

Let’s not forget the part after Robertson left, when the neighbour in flat above heard laughing, singing, giggling from DG and complainant before and during what he described as definitely sex taking place with male and female voices heard throughout.

Whatever happened, probably a bad idea for her to get hammered to the point she has no memory, ignore advice from best friend, refuse lift home from taxi driver and head into an empty flat, in a strange area with two guys you hadn’t spoke to before that evening with the intent on having sex with one of them.

If she was sexually assaulted, did she deserve it? Obviously not before people suggest that’s what I’m saying.

scotty · Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 8905 Location: Almost Dysart.

I wouldn't say Ms McD is on a crusade to ruin Raith Rovers Football Club but it would appear she's certainly on a crusade of some sort.

It would have been quite simple for her to have said in any of her numerous Tv interviews since last week, "Raith Rovers have finally seen sense, lets leave it at that" or better still "I have no wish to discuss RRFC, that chapter is closed for me now"

I understand her feelings and her right to do as she did, it showed her to be principled and that I applaud, however by her excessive media coverage (even after Rovers announced the DG will not play for us) she is doing the club no favours and you have to question why?

On the one hand, why should she do the club any favours? She didn't see eye to eye with the Board (Sim?) before so why make it easy for them now?
Mind you there's making it easy and there's going way OTT. She may want rid of the board (as do many) but she's risking her own alienation if she isn't careful.
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Castle · Joined: 24 Jul 2010 Posts: 4774

Yeah pretty much agree with that Scotty. She seemed to really relish putting the boot in and some of her statements sounded to be purposely emotive. Talking about how (slightly paraphrasing here) 'for the first time she is glad her father is no longer alive so he wouldn't witness what the club had done' and 'I hope it sticks in their craw everytime the board see my name on the stand', well I don't know, such statements weren't doing anyone on either side any favours in my opinion.

As for the posts about the trial perhaps it would be better just to leave that line of debate. A judge looked at all the evidence and ruled on the balance of probability ruled on the guilt of the accused.
Now of course the First Minister is in a position to at least try and amend the justice system so that criminal trials no longer have to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. Yes some innocent people would be found guilty but many more genuinely guilty people would be found so. I'm sure we would all be comfortable with that....
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red zebra · Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 8:10 pm Post subject:

StarksBarmy · Joined: 03 Apr 2010 Posts: 3787

Knew each other from school but hadn’t seen each other or spoken in years.

*Oh, my post was meant to say ‘spoken to in years’.