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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess it depends what kind of scout McGlynn was at Celtic. I assumed, perhaps wrongly, that he was the type of scout that went out to to look for potential signings. Maybe in the lower leagues in Scotland and England. A club like Celtic will employ quite a few, maybe even dozens of people to do that job. In that position he would have reported to head of recruitment who was, during MvGlynn's time at Celtic, David Moss and then Lee Congerton. If JM was they type of scout that went out to compose reports on future opponents for Celtic then yes I guess he could have been involved with Brendan Rodgers in some capacity but I was under the impression he was more of the talent spotting scout.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure I read he was predominantly an opposition scout for Celtic, although in the course of doing that job he was bound to come across players who he may have regarded as possible signings.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He was a scout to suss out the opposition. Firstly appointed by Ronnie Deila. Brendan Rogers kept him on.
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2863831/celtic-brendan-rodgers-hoops-scout-john-mcglynn-alashkert/
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the information guys.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He was an opposition scout as previously mentioned but this also included European campaigns and, also as previously mentioned, he would be involved in team meetings, watching how the first team set up and no doubt time spent with Rodgers discussing various aspects of the game
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CALDERON wrote:
Castle wrote:
I just thought he had a scouting position at Celtic


He was their opposition scout, so would analyse how upcoming opponents played etc (I think) so I guess would need to have some kind of working knowledge of how Celtic would set themselves up.

It's an incredibly difficult comparison. What Jimmy Nic achieved will never be matched. No matter where you go and who you meet, when people find out who you support they mention the cup win and Munich. We have memories that most clubs at our level have and never will experience.

Personally, I hold Mcglynn up there with Nicholl. You have to consider the state things were in before he became appointed (both times). His work ethic was always famed, but the way he has changed his managerial style is brilliant. The oldest adage of football management is "never go back".

I didn't personally want Mcglynn to ever come back as I always thought that ship had sailed, but a few years of Locke, Hughes and Smith really hit home how good we had it.

What Mcglynn and Smith do above all else, is put a team on the park who look as though they care as much about the Rovers as we do. Give me that over the likes of Declan Mcmanus, Barry Mckay, Bobby Barr, Scott Roberts, Kevin Mchattie and Jordan Thomson. Any day of the week.
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Points well made. They are along the lines of what I was getting at, by trying to make the comparison:

With hindsight, Jimmy Nic probably should not have come back a second time. On current evidence, and long may it continue, John McGlynn is proving to be entirely correct in returning.

Both managers have seen, and will forever see, their time at Raith Rovers as career high points, and justifiably so. Trophies aside, for the moment, both left the club after their respective first spells in a considerably better position that where they found it on joining.

Both had/have assistants who were/are significant contributors to the cause, able to step up to lead when needed, and clearly valued for their input when second-in-command.

Both see RRFC as their club and care deeply about every aspect of it off-field and surrounding community included. A knock-on effect of this is the absence of the so-called 'journeymen' pros and mercenaries that Calderon mentions blighted our playing pools in the intervening years. In other words, both Jimmy NIcholl and John McGlynn care enough about our club to NOT inflict us with players who do not care about our club - talent without the correct temperament isn't enough. (That's not to say they sometimes got it wrong - we can all list the less impressive signings both have made over their times).

I'm now clearer about Franco's point about Completed Works, too. And of course, he's right in the sense that Jimmy Nicholl's time has ended (whether voluntarily or not) whilst John McGlynn's still has a (long?) way to run. Maybe we should wait till the bald one has retired before we make this comparison!

But where's the fun in that? John or Jummy? Smudger or Harv? Keep 'em coming!
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