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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2022 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Biggles wrote:
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I remember the times when Scottish teams in Europe actually had more than a couple of Scotsmen in the starting line up.
Doubt we will ever see that again at club level.

The SFA should be looking into that. It would be helpful if the Scottish media were to highlight this and then get something done about it.
Bring pressure to bare on those that should be promoting our youth.
In forty years we have fallen like a brick down the worlds standing.

I think we should bring top class foreign coaches to Scotland to teach our coaches how to do it .
Our system is broken. Crying or Very sad
Practically everything nowadays is simply a “ tick box” Rolling Eyes

Just look at the standard we watch in this country.
Small country we are but there are others that perform better of a similar size........WHY?

Some years ago when teachers went on strike over poor pay school teams stopped playing and now very few schools have football teams that play on a regular basis. On Saturday mornings BB teams used to play but don't now. Kids used to put jackets down and play in the park but that also doesn't happen. They also used to play in the streets but that's gone. At school at break we used to play in the playground but it doesn't seem to happen now.
Foreign coaches won't improve the situation of kids not playing.


My brother moved South some years ago, he made sure he sent his son to a school with a good sports programme, eventually he got picked up by the English football Academy system (at age 9!) and has played in tournaments all over Europe representing the English Football Academy system. When his exams finish later this month, he starts a 2 year full time scholarship with Gillingham, having already captained the U16s and played for their U18s. He has been offered trials at West Ham, Arsenal and Fulham but knows he will get full time first team football . at least for the first year, at Gillingham.

My point is not to brag about my nephew (who will play for Scotland one day despite his Kent accent) but it is about a joined up approach to recruitment and also the financial infrastructure which facilitates it. It is also testament to my brother who got off his *bleep* and took his boy to the park with a football, refused to give him a mobile until he got a part time job to pay for it and limited his ipad/computer time instead, taking the time to spend with him and a ball.

BTW he is a natural leftie #9 who can play on the wing and, at 16 yo, can hit the penalty spot with a throw in, he is also about 9 stone wet so has some bulking up to do but he will get that at Gills. The way even L2 clubs are set up down south to bring on their youth players, puts our Premiership clubs to shame. He will have a dietician and all meals provided, individual coaching, sports therapists, sports psychologists, physios and personal trainers, and he gets paid for all of this. Can you imagine Livi, Motherwell or St Mirren providing all of this to a 17 yo kid?

Money is everything in football, and we do not have the money or the financed infrastructure up here to offer talented kids like my nephew a future in football, you can blame the OF for their historical poaching then benching of young talent, or the blazers that run the game here but, until there is a seismic change in the way football is run in this country nothing is ever going to change. All of these initiatives the SPFL come up with are for nothing if they do not get parents off their ipads or away from their dodgy firesticks and get their kids down the park with a ball. We have lost at least 2 generations to computer culture here, no different to other nations no doubt, but we have a much smaller pool of resources to draw from.

Connect with the kids but also connect with their parents, get them to invest as much time in their kids as the coaches want to (and there are some great kids coaches out there, I work with 2 of them who give up many hours a week), deny schools the right to sell of playing pitches and invest in sports education for all sexes, religions and abilities.

As an aside, I took the dogs to the park when I got in tonight, there was seven girls playing 3 a side with one in goals, probably 10-13 yo, filled my cynical old heart with joy to see that.
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2022 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Biggles wrote:
Cuparman wrote:
Not expecting foreign coaches make our kids play footy, however those that choose to, need better coaching.
Scotland as a country does not provide enough top class players and yet many other similar size countries have national teams that out perform ours regularly.
At least according to world/European standings.
We have a few capable players in the English premiership but we have not got any top class strikers and haven’t had since the 70/80’s.
We struggle to score goals and have done for decades.

Raw talent has to be cultivated, I don’t believe that Scottish coaches are good enough. Crying or Very sad

Over the years there's been a huge reduction in the number of kids playing football. That is the single, most important reason for the drop in standard.


Technology has a lot to do with kids not playing foorball in the street any more. Too busy on their playstations, mobiles and internet. Used to arrange to meet your pals for a game of football days in advance, hope they would turn up as no mobile or social media back then, play for hours, go in for your tea and go back out to carry on the same game. A tree for one goal post and a jumper for the other. 15 a side and everyones parents knew where their bairn was,
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2022 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

as well as the computer culture, there is also the wall to wall tv football culture.
kids used to go to matches(lifted over the turnstile often) and absorbed the whole live football ethos, went home and played, trying to emulate their heroes or reliving a game. now they watch so often on tv, see the top players showing skills levels etc the majority can never hope to reach, so lose interest quickly. it used to be that all kids(ok, in our days, all boys) in the area would play no matter how good or bad. nowadays, it's 'naw, i cant be bothered' or naw, I'm no good' etc. because they no they are not Ronaldino or Messi or whoever.
i was never very good but it didn't stop me from trying to be Andy Leigh or Willie McNaught, Johnnie Urquhart.
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2022 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do other countries not have playstations,mobiles,tablets and the likes?

Think the finger can be pointed at parents and schools regarding lack of physical activity/football among kids
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2022 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've said it on various threads on here before, and I'm therefore starting to sound like a broken record, but for me, the main reason Scotland lags behind is that other countries' aims and strategies extend way beyond pandering to two clubs engaging in a big willy contest and consequently centering everything on a league structure which ensures they play each other four times per season to satisfy a television company.
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2022 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds to me that between us we have collectively nailed the numerous reasons why “ we” ( Scotland), have failed to produce the kids with the right structures required to unearth the talent.
Begs the question, why are the stuffed shirts who are getting paid a fortune to run our football from grass roots upwards, not doing ENOUGH?

They may argue that they are, I however disagree.
The proof of the pudding as they say...... Confused Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2022 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Specky Ginger wrote:
I've said it on various threads on here before, and I'm therefore starting to sound like a broken record, but for me, the main reason Scotland lags behind is that other countries' aims and strategies extend way beyond pandering to two clubs engaging in a big willy contest and consequently centering everything on a league structure which ensures they play each other four times per season to satisfy a television company.


Its a bit of this, but I also feel that the coaching of kids in this country is behind a lot of others, technically our players are miles behind those in many other countries. The amount of times you see young players unable to bring a ball under proper control and even older players having a first touch like a brick wall.

The amount of kids getting rejected from clubs because they're not tall enough or haven't filled out enough. While clubs can't do anything about height, they can absolutely help young players bulk up by providing them with gym regimes. Of course, the player has to want to put the effort in too.
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2022 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In countries like Spain, the Netherlands and some others the biggest clubs have B sides playing in the lower leagues. Look at the absolute bed wetting when that is suggested here.
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2022 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recall that there was much talk Re Dutch football 40 or so years ago how well their players were not only technically but also how comfortable they were “ on the ball” anywhere on the pitch........turns out, that’s because ALL players from kiddies upwards were taught to play in EVERY position.
By doing this they did not get nose bleeds when defenders crossed the half way line. Rolling Eyes .

Not sure whether that occurred here in this millennia, or ever! Confused
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2022 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What happened to Henry mcleish's think-tank/blue print for scottish football.
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2022 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What happened to Henry mcleish's think-tank/blue print for scottish football.

Much like his time as a player at Least Fife, nothing!
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2022 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What happened to Henry mcleish's think-tank/blue print for scottish football.


That was an utter pile of Colin Nish.

He recommended a ten team top league, despite the fact that every league in Europe of any significance, has at least 16 teams and play each other once home and away.

No surprise that the Fife Elite academy folded under McLeish's watch.
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2022 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Specky Ginger wrote:
badpress139 wrote:
What happened to Henry mcleish's think-tank/blue print for scottish football.


That was an utter pile of Colin Nish.

He recommended a ten team top league, despite the fact that every league in Europe of any significance, has at least 16 teams and play each other once home and away.

No surprise that the Fife Elite academy folded under McLeish's watch.


I was brought up with the ethos, if you don’t know........ask.

Are our “ elite too thick or embarrassed to do this?

Go see how other countries of a similar size have structured their leagues and training/ coaching etc.
That itself isn’t rocket science, just ask, then hopefully get educated. Confused
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