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Do you want Barry Ferguson to return to playing for Scotland |
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Vinnie
Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 8226 Location: None Of Your Business
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:00 am Post subject: |
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GhostZapper wrote: | i dont understand this "taken so long to make up his mind" idea.
He spoke with Levein in March - Levein said they would meet in July and discuss it again. Ferguson therefore does not need to say anything until he meets with Levein |
From yesterdas article in the papers
"Nothing could be further from the truth. I have not spoken with the manager since he came down to Birmingham in March and we had a very good conversation.
The position was made clear then and it hasn’t changed at all. I have not given it any thought, and the manager knows exactly where I am coming from."
The fact he hasn`t give it any thought from March until now suggests hes not as passionate about playing for Scotland as he tries to make out.Mind you Ferguson has previous for telling porkies
I spent 3 and a half grand last year going to the 4 Scotland away games and we were garbage in 3 out the 4 of them!
Quote: | The performances in Cardiff and Oslo were 2 of the worst ive been to as a Scotland supporter! |
Not followed Scotland for long then?
Quote: | Anyway - for those that say he only plays a ball back, did any of you watch his performances for Birmingham last season? |
I think most peoples judgement on how Fergusons played is by having watched him for Scotland and possibly Rangers.For me Fergusons play for Scotland has in the main revolved around balls played back the way and square,very seldom did you see Ferguson play a forward defence splitting pass or see him making a forward lung bursting run into the box for example.Ferguson for me slowed the game down.Having said that,the reason for all the above is possibly down to the system Scotland played and the players around him.
If Ferguson was willing to commit to being available for all games including friendlies and not pulling out with a broken boot lace i think he should be given the chance again |
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KBID
Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 811 Location: Stirling
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:34 am Post subject: |
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No thanks. Ferguson spat in the face of team discipline - and like any normal person, he should have the book thrown at him.
I actually think Scotland are better without him and his little buddy, Shagger McGregor. We don't need those sorts of disruptive influences playing for our country! Look at our neighbours down south... a Manager who doesn't take any crap and players who want to play for him - that's why England are getting the results on the park. Not like up here where the inmates are running the asylum and start throwing their toys out of the pram when they don't like their boss(a la Kris Boyd!)
It's funny how when Barry Ferguson was at Rangers, he was always fit when it came to Rangers games but when it came to playing for his country he was always 'injured.'
Personally, I don't ever want to see Barry Ferguson(or, for that matter, Alan McGregor) in a Scotland shirt again. They don't deserve to represent their country after the shame they placed on it.
Young kids all over Scotland looked up to Barry Ferguson and Alan McGregor as role models, and this is how they treat them?
No thanks, Scotland doesn't have space in its squad for chancers like Ferguson and McGregor. _________________ Oh no no no Geordie Munro,
Oh no no no ma wee laddie.
I don't want tae go tae Idaho,
I'd rather stay home in Kirkcaldy. |
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fitbadaft
Joined: 07 Jan 2010 Posts: 93
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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I voted no for two reasons, firstly, Ferguson and McGregor were an absolute disgrace to their country with their primary school antics (apologies to primary school kids !!!), their silly behaviour whilst representing their country showed me that they did not take any pride in doing their best for our country. I am disappointed that it is even being discussed that they could return. My second reason for not wanting Ferguson back is that I always considered him to be over-rated as a player, as a previous poster said the only passes he made were sideways or backwards. |
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Markinch Rover
Joined: 08 Aug 2008 Posts: 236
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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if he maintains his form at the start of the season then he should be considered. Levein will make sure everyone in the squads attitudes up to scratch going forward and thats all that really matters.
On his day and injury free he is a decent player. |
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daryl1990
Joined: 20 Jul 2008 Posts: 2510 Location: glenrothes
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not overly fussy about him coming back from the ban, however he is no where near the level of Fletcher so should only be used as a back up. _________________ Goal Count 10/11
Baird 6 Tade 4 Mole 4 Ferry 3 Walker 2 Davidson 1 Ellis 1 Dyer 1 Simmons 1 Williamson 1 |
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GhostZapper
Joined: 26 Aug 2009 Posts: 1213
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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would be nice if Fletcher actually performed for Scotland tho, its something i get so frustrated about! Ferguson was always head and shoulders above Fletch for Scotland. |
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rovers4ever
Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 5314 Location: Burntisland
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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GhostZapper wrote: | would be nice if Fletcher actually performed for Scotland tho, its something i get so frustrated about! Ferguson was always head and shoulders above Fletch for Scotland. |
I think the difficulty for Fletch is he's not expected to take a game by the scruff of the neck at Old Trafford at the moment, but he's expected to do that for Scotland.
I hope Fergie gives him a lot more responsibility in 2010/11, which hopefully will translate into better performances for Scotland. He's only 24 (I think) so he's still got time to mature. _________________ A proud member of the 45. Saor Alba. |
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GhostZapper
Joined: 26 Aug 2009 Posts: 1213
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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26, but i agree. Much more to come from him. Was it Rooney that said he loved playing with fletcher and he was one of the most important names on the team sheet at Man U
IMO, he has never particularly suited the role played for scotland. Hes our best player by far, technically, and i would simply find a system to suit him. Man u seem to play a 4-4-2, or 4-5-1 with advanced forwards, and dont think it would be difficult for us to build a team around fletch.
ferguson had a good season playing the holding role for Birmingham, as opposed to his more advanced role previously. I think it was Old Trafford he had an outstanding game, won every ball in the middle of the park.
With that being the case, sit Fergie in, and let fletch go walkabout and maybe we'll see the kind of performances we all know he's capable off! |
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daryl1990
Joined: 20 Jul 2008 Posts: 2510 Location: glenrothes
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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GhostZapper wrote: | would be nice if Fletcher actually performed for Scotland tho, its something i get so frustrated about! Ferguson was always head and shoulders above Fletch for Scotland. |
That could be because he is expected to do far, far to much for Scotland by the supporters. He is one of the best in the world at what he does for Man Utd, and one of thier most important players. However Scotland fans expect so much more. If he was just allowed to get on with what he does best then he would be better at international level.
He is massivly underapreciated by Scottish fans and I would go as far as to say if he was English he would complete that team into World cup winners. _________________ Goal Count 10/11
Baird 6 Tade 4 Mole 4 Ferry 3 Walker 2 Davidson 1 Ellis 1 Dyer 1 Simmons 1 Williamson 1 |
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GhostZapper
Joined: 26 Aug 2009 Posts: 1213
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:22 am Post subject: |
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i disagree - a lot of the Scotland fans i know believe he is the best player in the team, but all we are after is performances on the same level as what he can produce for Man U on occasion
Sadly, he hides too much for Scotland. I appreciate some of the things he trys, and just wish he;d have the freedom to be allowed to express his creative nature more. I dont think it helps trying him out in different roles as Burley or Levein did at the Czech game - he looked lost
Also, i know everyone was dradful in Cardiff, but on that kind of occasion, Fletcher as captain should have been the one to get the players up for it and halt the capitulation! Thats the kind of thing Ferguson offered, or even Scott Brown against Macedonia
When was the last time you can remember coming away from a Scotland match and saying "i thought Fletcher was outstanding today"
you can pick players out in the category for some games - Hutton and Ferguson against Italy at home, Gordon vs France, Scott Brown vs Macedonia, Kenny Miller vs Lithuania,
For me and many others, the last outstanding game Fletch had for Scotland was Slovenia in 2005.......
I firmly believe he is technically the best player in our squad. expectation should be hjigh, because apart from Rooney he was the best player in the EPL last season! |
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scotty
Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 9065 Location: Almost Dysart.
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:43 am Post subject: |
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Sod Fergusson.
After the way he and McGregor behaved his career at international level should have been over anyway, but to be offered a reprieve by the new manager he should be prepared to walk on hot coals to come back.
"I'll think about it he said!"
If I'd have been CL I'd have just said there and then "No don't bother son" _________________ Competitive goals: Vaughan 16, Easton 11, Hamilton 9, Smith 7, Stanton 7, Mullin 4, Connolly 3, O'Reilly 3, Rudden 3, S Brown 1, Dick 1, Gullan 1, Masson 1, Millen 1, Mitchell 1, Murray, Watson 1, OG's 1, |
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Raith Fan
Joined: 01 Jan 2009 Posts: 780
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:16 am Post subject: |
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GhostZapper wrote: | i disagree - a lot of the Scotland fans i know believe he is the best player in the team, but all we are after is performances on the same level as what he can produce for Man U on occasion
Sadly, he hides too much for Scotland. I appreciate some of the things he trys, and just wish he;d have the freedom to be allowed to express his creative nature more. I dont think it helps trying him out in different roles as Burley or Levein did at the Czech game - he looked lost
Also, i know everyone was dradful in Cardiff, but on that kind of occasion, Fletcher as captain should have been the one to get the players up for it and halt the capitulation! Thats the kind of thing Ferguson offered, or even Scott Brown against Macedonia
When was the last time you can remember coming away from a Scotland match and saying "i thought Fletcher was outstanding today"
you can pick players out in the category for some games - Hutton and Ferguson against Italy at home, Gordon vs France, Scott Brown vs Macedonia, Kenny Miller vs Lithuania,
For me and many others, the last outstanding game Fletch had for Scotland was Slovenia in 2005.......
I firmly believe he is technically the best player in our squad. expectation should be hjigh, because apart from Rooney he was the best player in the EPL last season! |
Agree mostly, but Fletcher was the best player on the park against Holland, and I include Robben, van Persie, Sniejder, Kuyt etc in that. He was absolutely outstanding, and was let down by his team mates. Or, more specifically, Kenny effin Miller. |
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yabass
Joined: 16 Jul 2008 Posts: 212
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Raith Fan wrote: | Agree mostly, but Fletcher was the best player on the park against Holland, and I include Robben, van Persie, Sniejder, Kuyt etc in that. He was absolutely outstanding, and was let down by his team mates. Or, more specifically, Kenny effin Miller. |
Totally agree. |
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rovers4ever
Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 5314 Location: Burntisland
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:45 am Post subject: |
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yabass wrote: | Raith Fan wrote: | Agree mostly, but Fletcher was the best player on the park against Holland, and I include Robben, van Persie, Sniejder, Kuyt etc in that. He was absolutely outstanding, and was let down by his team mates. Or, more specifically, Kenny effin Miller. |
Totally agree. |
We don't need Miller in the team now - we have alternative choices such as Steven Fletcher, Boyd and perhaps Goodwillie. All natural goalscorers, which Miller certainly ain't! _________________ A proud member of the 45. Saor Alba. |
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davelees
Joined: 15 Jul 2008 Posts: 1391 Location: Brussels
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:23 am Post subject: |
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BBC Today:
Quote: | Scotland boss Craig Levein confirms that Barry Ferguson has retired from international football |
best news we've had for ages _________________ Novar before Brussels now |
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