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Steven
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| Oh and Liverpool has a population of 434,900 and only has two teams... |
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Crazy Englishman
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:46 am Post subject: |
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Liverpool takes in the wirrel also steven hence Tranmere rovers but population count i may be incorrect or wikopeddia may be.  
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Steven
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:53 am Post subject: |
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| Crazy Englishman wrote: | | Liverpool takes in the wirrel also steven hence Tranmere rovers but population count i may be incorrect or wikopeddia may be. |
That would be Merseryside not Liverpool then Chris as Birkenhead isn't a part of Liverpool
Also Merseyside only has a population of 1,365,900 not the 3.5 million that you suggested...  |
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Crazy Englishman
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 9:05 am Post subject: |
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| Steven wrote: | Since when did Manchester have a population of 5 million? 
Manchester itself has a population of 464,200 while Greater Manchester has a population of 2,600,000 which includes cities like Bolton, Wigan, Bury, Oldham, Rochdale, Stockport and I think all these places have teams... |
 Maybe you are correct steven, but you get my drift i hope.
Take the population of leeds, my home town. just over 710000 yet only one senior football club. Montrose population of just over 10000 i think and one senior football club. Population of york just over 190000 and NO senior football club. Population of alloa just over 19000 and one senior club.
The point i am trying to make is it is hard to see how scotland can use the current league setup with population counts as such. Which comes down to my point of expanding the spl and revamping the sfl or scrapping the spl and revamping scottish football entirely.
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Take sweden, population of just over 9.25 million. They run 3 divisions each of 17 teams. nearly double our population yet only 3 division. They seem to consistently produce better home grown players than we do. And quoting a relative of mine who lives in Karlstadt they enjoy reasonably good football.
Scotland has the potential that sweden produce but we dont produce. The spl is not the answer to scottish football in its present format and the sfl do not seem capable of coming up with a suitably attractive format to compete with the spl. I dont have a clue what the answer is, only personal suggestions but i think we all agree, drastic changes are a definate must before the scottish game dies entirely.
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Vinnie
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The point i am trying to make is it is hard to see how scotland can use the current league setup with population counts as such. Which comes down to my point of expanding the spl and revamping the sfl or scrapping the spl and revamping scottish football entirely. |
The population in relation to current league set up means absolutely nothing.Change the league set up we`ll still have the same population and the same amount of teams.
| Quote: | | drastic changes are a definate must before the scottish game dies entirely. |
Bit melodramatic |
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Crazy Englishman
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Vinnie wrote: | | Quote: | | The point i am trying to make is it is hard to see how scotland can use the current league setup with population counts as such. Which comes down to my point of expanding the spl and revamping the sfl or scrapping the spl and revamping scottish football entirely. |
The population in relation to current league set up means absolutely nothing.Change the league set up we`ll still have the same population and the same amount of teams.
| Quote: | | drastic changes are a definate must before the scottish game dies entirely. |
Bit melodramatic |
a BIT MELODRAMATIC VINNIE, WHY??? Its dieing already in many peoples eyes.
The reason i mentioned population is, i think very relevant. Currently we have peterhead travelling to annan and berwick and etc. I mentioned population alongside demographics. Surely to help the costs for those clubs and to attract more supporters, surely a regional setup for smaller clubs makes sense.
Yes have a 20 team spl. have a 20 team 1st division then have a north and south 2nd division something like the conference. There are sufficient teams north and south for this to be viable.
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Crazy Englishman
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Vinnie wrote: | | Quote: | | The point i am trying to make is it is hard to see how scotland can use the current league setup with population counts as such. Which comes down to my point of expanding the spl and revamping the sfl or scrapping the spl and revamping scottish football entirely. |
The population in relation to current league set up means absolutely nothing.Change the league set up we`ll still have the same population and the same amount of teams.
| Quote: | | drastic changes are a definate must before the scottish game dies entirely. |
Bit melodramatic |
a BIT MELODRAMATIC VINNIE, WHY??? Its dieing already in many peoples eyes.
The reason i mentioned population is, i think very relevant. Currently we have peterhead travelling to annan and berwick and etc. I mentioned population alongside demographics. Surely to help the costs for those clubs and to attract more supporters, surely a regional setup for smaller clubs makes sense.
Yes have a 20 team spl. have a 20 team 1st division then have a north and south 2nd division something like the conference. There are sufficient teams north and south for this to be viable.
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Tam
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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Plus you would need to take in account the fans (The glory hunters) who travel outwith the cities and towns of the clubs they support.
For example it is reputed that 40% of manu fans travel a fair distance to games. |
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scotty
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Crazy Englishman wrote: | | So what your saying in essence Scotty is Scottish football should only have one league consisting of clubs that meet the spl criteria. In other words invite us, falkirk, dundee, partick, qos, pars, airdie and clyde whom i think fit the criteria and form a spl of 20 clubs and deny all the other clubs the chance to experience the spl which in reality is what would happen. |
No Chris what I am saying positively is that the fate of Scottish football is controlled by the SPL and in particular the OF, the fate of the other 40 clubs and in particular the 30 in the SFL is on NO interest to them.
| Crazy Englishman wrote: | | Theres a huge divide now between clubs so what is the point of having 4 divisions when you could comfortably run an spl and then a conference type league with no promotion or relegation. Dont some scandinavian countries run a league set up as this. On that basis there is an arguement for expanding the spl. |
Fine, get SPL to buy into it and we will maybe get somewhere. The rest of the SFL DO WANT THAT KIND OF CHANGE!
| Crazy Englishman wrote: | | Scotty my friend, scotland has a population of 5.5 million and runs a league set up 42 clubs. London has a population of 20 million yet only has 8 (I think) senior clubs. Manchester has a population of just over 5 million and only has 2 clubs, same for liverpool 3.5 million yet on 3 clubs. Its down to population and demographics and on that basis there is every arguement for actually scrapping the spl altogether and running just 2 divisions first and second. |
Bollocks Chris London is a small area compared to Scotland, this argument holds no water when you think of scrapping a league for it's title, the root cause it the OF and the power they sway within it. The best agrument as I've said earlier in other posts that 42 clubs is probably that 20 too many for the modern age but I still wouldn't want to see a club die.
| Crazy Englishman wrote: | | The idea of the spl was to improve the product, which has failed miserably and unless this is enlarged in conjunction with an sfl overhaul then scottish football will continue to decline and clubs like Gretna will continue to look to live the experience and go to the wall in the process. But yes, an expanded spl with a complete sfl revamp is something that has to happen. |
I agree with the latter but the only ideal of the SPL was to make the clubs more money (esp' the OF!)
| Crazy Englishman wrote: | | Maybe i havent explained my thinking very well, but you are of sufficient intelligence to get the overall meaning of my posts. |
I feel that I am Chris but I doubt your grasp on the subject.
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Crazy Englishman
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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Scotty lets go for a pint yes???  M  ines a creamy coffee with a decent dash of whisky. Whats yours.
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Vinnie
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:43 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | a BIT MELODRAMATIC VINNIE, WHY??? Its dieing already in many peoples eyes. |
Because you claimed that drastic changes are a must,if not the Scottish game will die entirely.Scottish game will never die
Would you care to elaborate in what way scottish football dying? |
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zicoromaines
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Still going fishing Chris,take a tablet or two and calm down. |
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Crazy Englishman
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Vinnie wrote: | | Quote: | | a BIT MELODRAMATIC VINNIE, WHY??? Its dieing already in many peoples eyes. |
Because you claimed that drastic changes are a must,if not the Scottish game will die entirely.Scottish game will never die
Would you care to elaborate in what way scottish football dying? |
Falling gates, boring meaningless matches due to too many repetitive games, extremely poor refereing standards, media bias mainly towards the old firm. I can go on, but will that do for starters. When i used die entirely, i did not mean no more footie, i refered to the scottish game dieing and being replaced by some hybrid form of european football.
The one thing that can and should give those in charge a point to revue is this seasons 1st division. I would suggest its going to prove more competitive than in decades, with no runaway leaders and no certainty for any team to be relegated. And the roll model i would quote for this is there are 5 teams that are bordering on reasonable spl clubs and 5 teams who are showing they can compete at this near spl level. Many rated CB and SA as near certs to go down. Hey they are showing they can compete and if they manage a couple more wins they will have the confidence to believe that.
The point i am making is, these smaller clubs still, to some degree play the scottish type game, so why should the sfa, spl and sfl operate a system that to a very large degree is biased to a very large degree towards a certain few clubs. I have, for a long time advocated doubling the size of every division and using the highland and west of scotland leagues to make up the numbers. Annan, Peterhead and the likes have proved they can make the step up, so why arent more given the opportunity???.
So vinnie i am saying in my opinion open up the leagues, make larger division and lets start to see more scottish type football to bring back the fans.
And no Zico, i am not fishing this time. I am serious in my opinion.
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zicoromaines
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| Come on now Chris as one angler to another who's fishing now. |
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I wait with Baited breath for the reply
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